Particle Equations: Electron Probability & Radial Distance

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The discussion revolves around the equations and concepts related to the probability of finding an electron at a specific radial distance from the nucleus of an atom, particularly in the context of atomic structure and wave functions. It includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and comparisons between electron and proton probability densities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence of an equation for the probability of an electron's presence as a function of radial distance from the nucleus.
  • Another participant explains that the wave function provides the probability, with the absolute square indicating the likelihood of finding the electron at a given point, and mentions the specific form for the hydrogen atom's ground state.
  • A participant notes the necessity of including a factor of r² when calculating the probability density at a distance r due to the geometry of spherical coordinates.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the wave function but seeks clarification on the probability density of protons compared to electrons, suggesting that protons are more concentrated near the nucleus.
  • Another participant confirms that the radial extent of the proton wave function is significantly smaller than that of the electron wave function.
  • It is mentioned that the radial extent of the proton wave function corresponds to the size of the atomic nucleus, approximately 1 femtometer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the wave function and probability density, as well as the comparative sizes of the radial extents of electron and proton wave functions. However, there is no consensus on the participant's understanding of the wave function itself.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the participant's confusion regarding the wave function, and there are no explicit definitions provided for terms like "wave function" or "probability density." The mathematical details of the wave functions for higher energy levels are not fully explored.

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Is there an equation for the numerical probability of an electron being present as a function of it's radial distance from the nucleus of an atom?
Or am I missing something?
 
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Yes, that's what the wave function tells you. The absolute square of the wave function tells you the probability that the electron is at a given point in space. If you just want the radial distance, you can just look at the radial part of the wave function. For a hydrogen atom in the lowest energy state (ground state), the wave function falls off as exp(-r/a0), where a0 is the Bohr radius, which is about 0.5 Angstrom units of .05 nm. The probability drops off as the square of this, or exp(-2r/a0).

For higher energy levels the wave function is more complicated, but you can look it up here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom
 
When calculating the probability of being at a particular distance r from the nucleus, there is an extra factor of r^{2} due to the surface area of a sphere.
 
I don't understand how the wave function works. But I'll figure that out in my own time.
However, I could use help on this follow up question:
I'm assuming, since protons are generally located closer to the center of an atom, that protons' probability density become much higher, in comparison to an electron, the closer you look to the center of an atom. Is this correct?
 
That's basically correct. The radial extent over which the proton wavefunction is significantly different from zero is approximately 2000 times smaller than the radial extent of the electron wavefunction.
 
And the radial extent over which the proton wavefunction is significantly different from zero; that distance is about the size of the nucleus of the atom, right?
 
Correct. That distance is about 1 fm = 10^-15 m.
 
thank you
 

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