Permutation operator and Hamiltonian

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The permutation operator, denoted as ##\hat{P}_{21}##, commutes with the Hamiltonian ##\hat{H}## for identical particles, establishing the relation $$ [\hat{P}_{21}, \hat{H}] = 0 $$. This commutation implies that the action of the permutation operator on the Hamiltonian results in zero when applied to a general eigenvector ##{\lvert} {\psi} {\rangle}##. The discussion highlights the confusion surrounding the derivation of the equation $$ \hat{P}_{21} (\hat{H}{\lvert}{\psi}){\rangle} = 0 $$ and emphasizes the importance of understanding the symmetry of the Hamiltonian in relation to the permutation operator.

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The permutation operator commutes with the Hamiltonian when considering identical particles, which implies:

$$ [\hat{P}_{21}, \hat{H}] = 0 \tag{1}$$

Now given a general eigenvector ##{\lvert} {\psi} {\rangle}##, where

$$ \hat{P}_{21} (\hat{H}{\lvert}{\psi}){\rangle} = (\hat{P}_{21} \hat{H}) {\lvert} {\psi}{\rangle} + \hat{H}(\hat{P}_{21}{\lvert}{\psi}{\rangle}) $$

Using (1):
$$
(\hat{P}_{21} \hat{H}){\lvert} {\psi}{\rangle} = 0
$$

But how exactly does this last relation follow? Why does acting the permutation operator on the Hamiltonian result in 0? In this case, if the Hamiltonian is symmetric with respect to permutation, how does this term going to 0 indicate that?
 
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TheCanadian said:
Now given a general eigenvector ##{\lvert} {\psi} {\rangle}##, where

$$ \hat{P}_{21} (\hat{H}{\lvert}{\psi}){\rangle} = (\hat{P}_{21} \hat{H}) {\lvert} {\psi}{\rangle} + \hat{H}(\hat{P}_{21}{\lvert}{\psi}{\rangle}) $$
I don't understand how you get that equation.
 
DrClaude said:
I don't understand how you get that equation.

Yikes. Looking back at it, I don't quite understand my step either. I was under the assumption the operator ##\hat{P}_{21}## was acting on the total state determined by ##(\hat{H}{\lvert}{\psi}{\rangle})## and thus expanded it out to act on each term in that state, but switching the order of operation here seems very wrong.
 

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