Permutation Proof: Proving (n+1)nPr=(n+1)P(r+1)

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The discussion focuses on proving the equation (n+1)nPr=(n+1)P(r+1) using permutations. The initial approach involves substituting nPr with its factorial representation, leading to confusion about manipulating the terms correctly. Participants clarify that (n+1)nPr is not the same as ((n+1)n)Pr and discuss how to equate both sides of the equation. They conclude that starting from either side of the equation is valid for proving the equality, emphasizing the importance of understanding factorial relationships. The conversation highlights the collaborative effort to clarify the proof process.
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Homework Statement


Hello
I have to proof this
##(n+1)nPr=(n+1)P(r+1)##

The attempt at a solution
if i substitute this in
##nPr=\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}##
I get this
##(n+1)nPr=\frac{[(n+1)n]!}{[(n+1)n-r]!}##
This will give
##(n+1)nPr=\frac{(n^2+n)!}{(n^2+n-r)!}##

Now i don't know how to continue.
 
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Pual Black said:

Homework Statement


Hello
I have to proof this
##(n+1)nPr=(n+1)P(r+1)##

The attempt at a solution
if i substitute this in
##nPr=\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}##
I get this
##(n+1)nPr=\frac{[(n+1)n]!}{[(n+1)n-r]!}##
This will give
##(n+1)nPr=\frac{(n^2+n)!}{(n^2+n-r)!}##

Now i don't know how to continue.
I don't think (n + 1) * n! = [n * (n + 1)]!

What is (n + 1)*n! ?
 
Further to SteamKing's point, why did you also attempt to multiply the denominator by n+1?
 
I just substituted (n+1)n in the equation of nPr.
##nPr=\frac{n!}{n-r}##
Just changed the (n) with (n+1)n
I didn't multipy the denominator.

But now i think i get you
Did you mean that (n+1)nPr isn't the same as ((n+1)n)Pr ??
 
Pual Black said:
Did you mean that (n+1)nPr isn't the same as ((n+1)n)Pr ??
Yes. It's (n+1)(nPr).
 
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Ok thanks. Now let's go on
##(n+1)nPr=(n+1)\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}##

I have to get this
##\frac{(n+1)!}{[(n+1)-(r+1)]!}##
to proof the R.H.S

But if i start with the Right side
##(n+1)P(r+1)=\frac{(n+1)!}{[(n+1)-(r+1)]!}=(n+1)\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}=(n+1)nPr=L.H.S##
But how to start with left side and proof the right side ?

I can -1 +1 to the denominator to get the (n+1)-(r+1)
But can i say that (n+1)n!=(n+1)! ?
I think yes of course
 
Pual Black said:
Ok thanks. Now let's go on
##(n+1)nPr=(n+1)\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}##

I have to get this
##\frac{(n+1)!}{[(n+1)-(r+1)]!}##
to proof the R.H.S

But if i start with the Right side
##(n+1)P(r+1)=\frac{(n+1)!}{[(n+1)-(r+1)]!}=(n+1)\frac{n!}{(n-r)!}=(n+1)nPr=L.H.S##
But how to start with left side and proof the right side ?

I can -1 +1 to the denominator to get the (n+1)-(r+1)
But can i say that (n+1)n!=(n+1)! ?
I think yes of course
Yes. And since you are dealing with equalities, not inequalities, it doesn't matter which side you start with to arrive at the other.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes. And since you are dealing with equalities, not inequalities, it doesn't matter which side you start with to arrive at the other.
Ok. Thank you very much for your help.
 

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