Find Min Copies Needed for Certainty of Permuted Qubits w/ General State

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In summary, the conversation discusses the minimum number of copies needed to find the permutation of a general state of n-qubits with high certainty. The upper bound is O(M!) and the lower bound is O(log M), with the latter being based on Holevo's theorem and the fact that each permutation takes MlogM bits to describe. However, these bounds are not very good and suggestions for improvement are welcome.
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Suppose you have a general state of n-qubits, and you have a second copy with the same state, but with the qubits permuted in some order. Suppose you have given lots of copies of these pairs. What is the minimum number of such copies needed to find the permutation with high certainty as a function of n?

Note that this is a GENERAL state, not a tensor product of n qubits. In the case of a tensor product, the number of copies needed to be almost certain grows linearly with n.
 
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I have some very, very bad bounds for it:

Upper: O(M!)
Lower: O(log M)

Now the upper bound is obvious. The lower bound is O(log M) because each permutaiton on M objects takes MlogM bits to describe. By Holevo's theorem M qubits can contain at most M usable classical bits of information. Therefore at least log M copies of the pair is needed.

Of course these bounds might as well not exist for how bad they are. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve them?
 

1. What is the purpose of finding the minimum number of copies needed for certainty of permuted qubits with general state?

Finding the minimum number of copies needed for certainty of permuted qubits with general state is important in quantum computing, as it allows for accurate and reliable manipulation of quantum information. This information can be used for various applications, such as cryptography and quantum simulations.

2. How is the minimum number of copies calculated?

The minimum number of copies is calculated using mathematical algorithms and equations that take into account the specific quantum state and the desired level of certainty. These calculations can be complex and may require advanced knowledge of quantum mechanics.

3. What is the difference between a general state and a specific state?

In quantum computing, a general state refers to a quantum state that is not predetermined or known, and can take on any value within a certain range. A specific state, on the other hand, refers to a quantum state that is predetermined and known.

4. Can the minimum number of copies change for different quantum states?

Yes, the minimum number of copies needed for certainty can vary depending on the specific quantum state. This is because different quantum states have different levels of uncertainty and require different levels of precision in their manipulation.

5. What are the limitations of finding the minimum number of copies for certainty of permuted qubits with general state?

One limitation is that the calculations can become increasingly complex and time-consuming as the number of qubits and the desired level of certainty increases. Additionally, there may be practical limitations in terms of the technology and resources available to perform the necessary calculations and experiments.

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