PH Indicator and Endpoint Observations

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The discussion revolves around the titration of a weak base with a strong acid, specifically focusing on the relationship between endpoint volume and equivalence point volume, as well as the use of phenolphthalein as an indicator. Participants explore the implications of endpoint assumptions and the nature of color changes during titration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that both B and C are correct regarding the endpoint volume being lower than the equivalence point volume, leading to a lower calculated molarity of the weak base.
  • Another participant agrees with the first, indicating that both B and C should be chosen.
  • A participant mentions that titration can still be performed in the opposite direction, stopping at the first color change, which is a common practice when using phenolphthalein.
  • There is a question about the understanding of stopping at the first color change, with a participant noting that the color change does not occur at the equivalence point.
  • Another participant clarifies that the color change occurs gradually over a range of pH values, suggesting that it starts close to the equivalence point when titrating strong acid with a strong base.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the endpoint assumptions, with some supporting the idea that both B and C are valid while others seem to align with a single correct answer. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these assumptions and the nature of the color change in titrations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of endpoint and equivalence point, as well as the specific behavior of indicators like phenolphthalein in different titration scenarios.

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A weak base is titrated with a strong acid.
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I think that both B and C are correct. The endpoint volume will be lower than the actual equivalence point volume. When the student mistakenly assumes the endpoint volume is the equivalence point volume, the number of moles of strong acid is seen as equal to the number of moles of weak base. The calculated number of moles of strong acid would be lower (because of the lower volume), and the molarity of the weak base would also be lower.

The answer says only B is correct. Could anyone explain why, and where I went wrong? Thanks.
 
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I see nothing wrong in your explanation, I would choose B and C as well.

Funny thing is, this titration is still doable, you just have to do it in the opposite direction and stop at the first color change. That's how titrations against phenolphthaleine are done :smile:
 
Borek said:
Funny thing is, this titration is still doable, you just have to do it in the opposite direction and stop at the first color change. That's how titrations against phenolphthaleine are done :smile:
Thanks, though I don't really understand the above part. If you do it in the opposite direction, the color change is still not at the equivalence point...
 
i_love_science said:
Thanks, though I don't really understand the above part. If you do it in the opposite direction, the color change is still not at the equivalence point...
Which is why you stop at the first sight of color change. Color change is not instantaneous, it takes place gradually over at least 2 pH units. In the case of phenolphthalein it means the color change (when titrating strong acid with a strong base) starts quite closely to the equivalence.

Compare http://www.titrations.info/acid-base-titration-indicators
 

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