Photo-excitation and photo-ionization

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The discussion centers on the differences between photo-excitation and photo-ionization, exploring the processes involved, energy requirements, and the implications of photon energy on electron behavior in atoms. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical clarification of these phenomena.

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  • Some participants propose that photo-excitation involves the absorption of a photon, causing an electron to move to a higher energy state, while photo-ionization involves the ejection of an electron from an atom due to a photon with sufficient energy.
  • One participant notes that for photo-excitation, a photon must correspond to specific energy levels; otherwise, it will not be absorbed, contrasting this with photo-ionization where any photon energy above the ionization threshold contributes to the kinetic energy of the ejected electron.
  • A participant questions why, in the case of photo-excitation, an electron does not utilize excess energy to increase its kinetic energy after transitioning to a higher state, suggesting that stable orbits might play a role in this behavior.
  • Another participant responds by explaining that the energy absorbed during photo-excitation is a combination of potential and kinetic energy, indicating that the energy levels are predefined for stable states.

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Participants express differing views on the energy dynamics involved in photo-excitation and photo-ionization, particularly regarding the handling of excess energy. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore these concepts without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of energy transitions in atomic states and the specific conditions required for photon absorption, indicating that assumptions about energy distribution and stability in atomic orbits are not fully settled.

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What is the difference between Photo-excitation and photo-ionization?
 
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I've never used the words before but it seems somewhat clear just looking at each word.

Both words use photo which in most cases if fairly synonymous with light.

Excitation is probably a process that deals with the transfer of energy to something

Ionization is, well, what I'm sure you think it means
 
Nothing wiki wouldn't tell you, but anyway

Photo excitation is exciting an atom with light i.e. a photon is absorbed causing the atom to attain a higher energy state. An atom is by default, in its lowest possible E state. A photon with appropriate energy (using a laser, most commonly) hits an electron causing it to gain the energy of this photon ( E conservation) and become excited.

Photo ionization would be knocking an electron out of its orbit using a photon with a very high energy (Xrays) making an ion.
 
Feldoh said:
I've never used the words before but it seems somewhat clear just looking at each word.

Both words use photo which in most cases if fairly synonymous with light.

Excitation is probably a process that deals with the transfer of energy to something

Ionization is, well, what I'm sure you think it means

paranoidom said:
Nothing wiki wouldn't tell you, but anyway

Photo excitation is exciting an atom with light i.e. a photon is absorbed causing the atom to attain a higher energy state. An atom is by default, in its lowest possible E state. A photon with appropriate energy (using a laser, most commonly) hits an electron causing it to gain the energy of this photon ( E conservation) and become excited.

Photo ionization would be knocking an electron out of its orbit using a photon with a very high energy (Xrays) making an ion.

Well its not what I am asking, maybe I should have completed my question before. In my book it says that photo-excitation is absorption of a photon by an electron making it jump to the higher state. However it says that the photon must correspond to definite energy level. Say if the electron needs 1.1 eV to jump to 1st higher state and 2.5 eV to another, then a photon of 1.3 eV is useless and won't be absorbed.
On the other hand for for photo ionization process, a photon of energy at least equal to ionization energy of the electron (say k eV) is required. Any other higher energy of the photon equals to the kinetic energy gained by the electron.

My doubt is that why doesn't the same happen in the first case? That the electron takes 1.1 eV to shift its energy state and uses the remaining 0.2 eV to increase the kinetic energy? Does something prevent that? (like stable orbits or something similar?)
 
dhruv.tara said:
My doubt is that why doesn't the same happen in the first case? That the electron takes 1.1 eV to shift its energy state and uses the remaining 0.2 eV to increase the kinetic energy? Does something prevent that? (like stable orbits or something similar?)

Because a particular state of an atom IS comprised of a potential + kinetic energy. So the energy that it absorbs is already "pre-measured". The 1.1. eV is a combination of both KE and PE for that state.

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