Photon+photon -> neutrino + antineutrino ?

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The discussion centers on the potential reaction of photon-photon interactions resulting in the production of neutrino and antineutrino pairs. It explores the likelihood of this reaction occurring in high-energy environments, particularly in the context of electro-weak theory and astrophysical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that high-energy gamma rays can produce lower energy photons through various interactions until they reach energies insufficient for positron/electron pair production.
  • Another participant estimates that the likelihood of the photon-photon to neutrino-antineutrino reaction is extremely small, suggesting a rough calculation based on light-by-light scattering rates adjusted for energy scales.
  • A different participant questions whether there are astrophysical scenarios, such as the evaporation of a microscopic black hole, where a high density of high-energy gamma rays could exist without significant matter present.
  • One participant reiterates the rarity of the interaction, emphasizing that it is mediated by a virtual vector boson, which contributes to its low probability compared to other interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the rarity of the photon-photon to neutrino-antineutrino interaction, but there are differing views on the specific conditions under which it might occur and the relevance of certain astrophysical contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion references older models and literature that may not align with current understandings of weak interactions, indicating potential limitations in the applicability of earlier findings to modern theories.

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High energy gamma rays in a region of reasonable matter density quickly produce a plethora of lower energy photons by a series of interactions, stopping when you have photons too low in energy to produce positron/electron pairs.

My question concerns the likelihood of the titular reaction (which would effectively carry the energy of photons away from a high density region). I found some very old papers discussing its likelihood in models predating the intermediate vector boson model of weak interactions. Can someone comment on the likelihood and point me at any not too advanced discussion in the context of the electro-weak theory?

[Edit: I also found good, modern, discussion of photon+<charged particle or nucleus> producing neutrino pairs. But the above, presumably less significant interaction, was not covered]
 
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It's going to be ridiculously small. A ballpark estimate would be the rate for light-by-light scattering, times (E_gamma/m_W)^4.
 
Is there some astrophysical context where you would get an insanely high density of high-energy gammas, but no matter? Evaporation of a microscopic black hole?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
It's going to be ridiculously small. A ballpark estimate would be the rate for light-by-light scattering, times (E_gamma/m_W)^4.

Ok, this is the take away point. Independent of details, and despite the near vanishing mass of neutrinos, this is going to be extremely rare because it has to be mediated by a virtual vector boson whose mass makes this unlikely. At all energy regimes, other results will be many orders of magnitude more likely. But this is not a prohibited interaction, just very unlikely.
 

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