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The discussion centers on the most energetic photons ever detected from natural sources, exploring the sources, detection methods, and interpretations of various studies, particularly those related to the Pierre Auger Observatory. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental findings, and the challenges of particle identification at high energies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the energy levels of the most energetic photons detected and their sources.
  • Links to external resources, including a Wikipedia page and a paper from the Pierre Auger Observatory, are shared to provide context on ultra-high-energy (UHE) photons.
  • One participant suggests that the paper discusses photon events at about 2.2 EeV but expresses uncertainty about whether these are the most energetic photons detected.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the 2.2 EeV figure, suggesting that a logarithmic scale indicates the actual energy could be around 158 EeV, comparable to the energy of the Oh-My-God particle detected in 1991.
  • There is a discussion about the identification of the Oh-My-God particle, with some participants recalling that it was thought to be a charged particle rather than a photon.
  • One participant argues that the results from the Pierre Auger Observatory are misinterpreted, stating that the paper presents an upper limit on photon flux and that no photons with energies greater than approximately 1 EeV have been observed, suggesting that detected particles are assumed to be protons or nuclei.
  • Another participant notes that the highest energetic photons are believed to come from gamma-astronomy, with energies in the order of hundreds of TeV.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the data and findings related to photon energies, with no consensus reached on the most energetic photons detected or the implications of the Pierre Auger Observatory's results.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in particle identification at high energies and the dependence on the interpretation of logarithmic scales in data presentations. There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of detected particles and the accuracy of reported energy levels.

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Does anyone know how energetic the most energetic photons ever detected from a natural source were and what their source was?
 
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Check out this link to a paper that discusses the Pierre Auger Observatory searching for UHE photons. They discuss detecting photon events at about 2.2 EeV. (1 EeV = 10^18 eV).

Here is the link: http://www.auger.org/technical_info/pdfs/icrc2007/icrc602.pdf

I do not know if these are the most energetic photons detected or not.
 
Norman said:
Check out this link to a paper that discusses the Pierre Auger Observatory searching for UHE photons. They discuss detecting photon events at about 2.2 EeV. (1 EeV = 10^18 eV).

Here is the link: http://www.auger.org/technical_info/pdfs/icrc2007/icrc602.pdf

I do not know if these are the most energetic photons detected or not.

I would have to question your interpretation of this very interesting article you cited. In citing the figure 2.2 EeV, I think you must be referring to Figure 3 therein, but the scale there is Log(Energy/EeV) - not Energy/EeV and the anti-Log of 2.2 would give an energy of about 158 EeV for the most energetic photons that this work detected. This is same order of magnitude as the energy of the 300 EeV Oh-My-God particle detected on October 15, 1991, over Dugway Proving Grounds, Utah - and 15 similar events detected since. So, considering that the text of the paper paper is focused on photons with energies above 10, 20 and 40 EeV, I think they obviously detected photons much more energetic than 2.2 EeV.
 
Koilon said:
I would have to question your interpretation of this very interesting article you cited. In citing the figure 2.2 EeV, I think you must be referring to Figure 3 therein, but the scale there is Log(Energy/EeV) - not Energy/EeV and the anti-Log of 2.2 would give an energy of about 158 EeV for the most energetic photons that this work detected. This is same order of magnitude as the energy of the 300 EeV Oh-My-God particle detected on October 15, 1991, over Dugway Proving Grounds, Utah - and 15 similar events detected since. So, considering that the text of the paper paper is focused on photons with energies above 10, 20 and 40 EeV, I think they obviously detected photons much more energetic than 2.2 EeV.

Ah, yes. Rightfully so. Sorry was a quick glance after searching the Auger site for photon articles. I had a recent discussion with one of the Auger scientists, so I checked their site first.

And correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the 1991 event thought to be a charged particle? I understand particle identification at these energies is very difficult, but I seem to remember that at the time (and as recently as a few years ago when I heard some talks from the Fly's Eye collab.) that they were thinking it was a positively charged particle.
 
Norman said:
And correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the 1991 event thought to be a charged particle? I understand particle identification at these energies is very difficult, but I seem to remember that at the time (and as recently as a few years ago when I heard some talks from the Fly's Eye collab.) that they were thinking it was a positively charged particle.

Yes, that is my understanding. See the link given by Dimitry67 in the first reply to this thread. That was the source of my information about the Oh-My-God particle. I didn't mean to imply that it was a photon - merely that the energy of the most energetic photons observed in your citation was comparable.
 
I think the results of Pierre Auger are misinterpreted here. If you look at Figure 4 of the cited paper, the result of search is only an upper limit on the photon flux. The conslusion of the paper is strong limit on the photon flux with 0 photon candidate events (as stated in conclusion). Presently no photons with energies >~1 EeV are observed in any of the experiments (all detected particles of these energies are assummed to be protons or nuclei). Therefore the highest energetic photons come from gamma-astronomy and have energy of the order of hundreds TeV.
 

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