Physical quantities versus wave function?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between physical quantities and wave functions in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the role of operators and eigenstates. Participants explore how operators can be applied to wave functions to extract physical quantities, the implications of eigenstates, and the complexities involved in non-eigenstate scenarios.

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  • One participant asks how suitable operators can be used to find physical quantities, specifically referencing the Hamiltonian and its eigenvalues to determine energies.
  • Another participant explains that classical physical quantities arise when the state is an eigenstate of the operator, drawing an analogy to linear algebra and eigenvectors.
  • A question is raised about whether operators can only be applied to eigenfunctions.
  • It is clarified that operators can act on non-eigenfunctions, but determining their action is more complex, leading to the practice of expressing wave functions as superpositions of eigenfunctions.
  • One participant argues that not all physical quantities correspond to eigenvalues of operators, using time as an example and discussing the role of unitary operators in time evolution within Hilbert spaces.
  • This participant elaborates on how physical interactions can cause systems to move within continuous subgroups of unitary operators, and how these interactions relate to Hamiltonian operators and their eigenspaces.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of operators to non-eigenfunctions and the nature of physical quantities in quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the implications of these points, indicating an ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes complex mathematical concepts related to Hilbert spaces, unitary operators, and Lie algebras, which may not be fully resolved or universally understood among participants.

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hi, please explain can by using suitable operator we can find any physical quantity- as by using hamiltonian on wave function we can find energies by the eigenvalues?
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The classical physical quantity only arises if the state is an eigenstate of the operator.

Just like in linear algebra, multiplying a matrix by one of its eigenvectors has the same effect of multiplying the eigenvector by a constant (the corresponding eigenvalue).

In your example, the time independent Schrödinger equation, the wavefunction is an eigenfunction of the Hamiltonian, or some linear combination of eigenfunctions.
 
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does it mean operator can only apply to eigenfunction?
 
No, but it's difficult to determine the action of an operator on something that isn't an eigenfunction, so we always try to write wave functions as a superposition of eigenfunctions of an operator to determine its action.
 
Not all physical quantities are eigenvalues of some operator, time being the most immediate example.
When a quantum system is described by a wave function, the time evolution is determined by a unitary operator that acts on the Hilbert space used to describe the particle. If the Hilbert space has dimension "n", then the time evolution operator over a given time interval is an element of U(n). Now, physics enters because we do not necessarily have the capacity to reproduce the effect of an arbitrary element of U(n). A physical interaction will have the effect of causing the system to move within some continuous subgroup S of U(n). An interaction over an infinitesimal interval of time gives rise to an element of the Lie algebra "s" associated with S, which is a vector in the tangent space of the identity of S. By our assumptions, this "s" can be used to build physical Hamiltonian operators, and acts on the Hilbert space in a way that is consistent with the action of S.
The Hilbert space used to describe the wave function decomposes into eigenspaces under the action of 's', and these eigenspaces are 'distinguishable' because they generally have different dynamical properties (consider the differences between singlet and triplet states in a two-electron system: one exhibits entanglement in all reference frames, while the other does not). The actual eigenvalues of 's' can be determined in the finite-dimensional case through verifying certain global symmetries of the system, or through measuring the density of states in an experimental setup where the microcanonical ensemble Hamiltonian is given by 's'.
 
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