Physics Degree and the Air Force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the opportunities available for an undergraduate physics and mathematics double major considering a career in the Air Force after graduation. Participants explore various career paths, the application process for Officer Training School (OTS), and the potential challenges and uncertainties involved in pursuing a military career in STEM fields.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in joining the Air Force for the challenges and opportunities it offers to STEM graduates, while acknowledging the uncertainty of available roles.
  • Another participant notes that the Navy's nuclear program includes career paths beyond submarines, suggesting a broader range of options than initially considered.
  • Concerns are raised about the competitive nature of OTS and the likelihood of being assigned to non-research roles, emphasizing that the Air Force's needs take precedence over personal preferences.
  • Some participants mention the potential for increased officer recruitment depending on political and economic factors, which may affect selection processes.
  • Resources for further research, including serviceacademyforums.com and an AFROTC guide, are recommended for gathering more information about career options and experiences from current officers.
  • One participant humorously points out that the choice of assignment is largely determined by the service, reiterating the need for flexibility in expectations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the competitive nature of OTS and the importance of being adaptable to the needs of the Air Force. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the best resources for information and the specific career paths available, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in certain aspects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the variability of available positions in the Air Force, the subjective nature of the application process, and the dependence on external factors such as political decisions and economic conditions.

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Currently I am an undergraduate physics and mathematics double major. I am looking into the air force after graduation because I heard there are a lot of opportunities for people with STEM degrees but I have no idea what kind of opportunities are available for my degree paths. Joining the Air Force has a lot of appeal for me because I want to be challenged and be a part of something larger than myself. I realized before my junior year that this might be what I want to do which is why I didn't do AFROTC or anything like that.

I have looked into the navy nuke program and I don't really want to be crammed into a submarine. My interests mainly involve applied research but I am willing to compromise. I understand that the needs of the air force come before my own and that nobody can really pin point what opportunities will be available at a given point since they're always changing.

Before I apply to OTS my GPA will be above a 3.4 and I will graduate with honors. I have a summer internship at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory developing electronic propulsion technology, I've worked for two different high energy physics research groups and have volunteer/ leadership experience (clean academic and legal record, US citizen, nothing that disqualifies me). Plus tons of programming experience.

I heard that it is hard to be selected as a 61D (physicist/ nuclear engineer) from what I've head. Would my GPA too low? Is there anyone that can give me insight as to what may lie ahead. I just want to have some idea before I go all in.
 
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A few notes:

1. Navy Nuke program also has career paths outside of being on a sub or aircraft carrier. A friend of mine did emergency planning for nuclear spillage for the Navy.
2. OTS is a mix bag. Like most direct commission programs, your choice is literally the least important thing to the service.
3. Out of all the services, Air Force OTS (and perhaps Marine OCS) are among the hardest to get into. I''m not sure how much research you have done, but it's typically a year long process and often times people do not succeed their first time. With that said, you're more than likely a pretty solid middle of the road candidate.
4. Be aware that you probably won't be in a research role once selected. If you are going to do OTS, you have to be pretty ok with the idea of signing up for x number of years being a Admin officer or supply officer. It's a possibility and one that you must accept. As you said, the Air Force needs will always be more important than yours.
5. Lastly this is probably a good administration to attempt this route. If Trump is able to increase the size of the forces, there is going to be a need for more officers, so naturally selection might become easier. The economy is generally good, so the competition won't be as bad as it was during the great recession.
 
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You might want to check out serviceacademyforums.com. It's SA focused obviously, but they have an OTS/OCS forum as well. I know there's at least one active 61D on the site, so if you search around a bit you might be able to find some good info. Good luck!
 
Thank you for your insight. I am currently doing more research on different careers in the air force and I came across a few other interesting careers (flight test engineer, network operations officer) that also seem interesting.
 
aerohead_18 said:
You might want to check out serviceacademyforums.com. It's SA focused obviously, but they have an OTS/OCS forum as well. I know there's at least one active 61D on the site, so if you search around a bit you might be able to find some good info. Good luck!

I looked at the sight ad its mostly comprised of people trying to apply to the academies. Do you know any other place where I can get some better insight (besides the AF website) ?
 
Sorry, I don't know of any other good resources off the top of my head. It's possible you could find some useful stuff on baseops.net, but I think that tends to be more aviation focused.
 
McLovin123 said:
I have looked into the navy nuke program and I don't really want to be crammed into a submarine.

That isn't you only option. You can be crammed into an aircraft carrier. :smile:

MarneMath said:
your choice is literally the least important thing to the service.

This. Read this again. And again. Don't expect the service's decisions to consider your opinions, or for that matter for the decisions even to make sense.
 
makes sense. I feel like I can gain a lot from being an officer and I'll obviously go wherever they end up putting me. I think I have a rough idea but ill just have to see where the process takes me.
 

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