Physics Review Letters 134: Probing New Bosons and Nuclear Structure with Ytterbium Isotope Shifts

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The discussion centers on the implications of recent findings related to ytterbium isotope shifts and their potential connection to new bosons, particularly in the context of dark matter. Participants explore various interpretations of experimental results and theoretical models, including the x17 boson hypothesis and alternative explanations for observed anomalies in nuclear structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a recent paper discussing a King plot analysis that sets bounds on a fifth force related to electrons and neutrons, suggesting a possible connection to new bosons.
  • There is speculation about the x17 boson being a candidate for the observed phenomena, particularly due to its predicted mass in the MeV range.
  • Others point out that the x17 boson claims are based on preliminary findings that have not undergone peer review, raising concerns about their validity.
  • A participant cites a recent Physics World article stating that a team has explained the atomic anomaly without invoking a dark force, attributing it instead to the deformation of nuclear structure in ytterbium isotopes as more neutrons are added.
  • It is noted that Klaus Blaum, a co-author of the 2025 dark boson paper, is also involved in the research that disputes the connection to a dark force, which adds complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the data related to ytterbium isotopes and the existence of new bosons. There is no consensus on the validity of the x17 boson hypothesis, with some arguing against it based on recent findings while others maintain interest in its potential implications.

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The discussion highlights the ongoing uncertainty surrounding the interpretation of experimental results and the status of various theoretical models, including the x17 boson. Limitations include the preliminary nature of some claims and the dependence on specific definitions and interpretations of nuclear structure anomalies.

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New Bosons
Phys. Rev. Lett. 134, 063002 – Published 11 February, 2025
https://journals.aps.org/prl/

Probing New Bosons and Nuclear Structure with Ytterbium Isotope Shifts​

Menno Door1,2,*,†, Chih-Han Yeh3,*,‡, Matthias Heinz4,5,1,§, Fiona Kirk3,6, Chunhai Lyu1, Takayuki Miyagi4,5,1, Julian C. Berengut7, Jacek Bieroń8, Klaus Blaum1 et al.

"Additionally, we perform a King plot analysis to set bounds on a fifth force in the keV/𝑐2 to MeV/𝑐2 range coupling to electrons and neutrons."

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DOI: https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevLett.134.063002

23 sigma for Mev mass new boson

based on MIT
Physical Review Letters

Evidence for Nonlinear Isotope Shift in Yb+ Search for New Boson

Ian Counts1,*, Joonseok Hur1,*, Diana P. L. Aude Craik1, Honggi Jeon2, Calvin Leung1, Julian C. Berengut3, Amy Geddes3, Akio Kawasaki4, Wonho Jhe2 et al.

Phys. Rev. Lett. 125, 123002 – Published 15 September, 2020
Hints of Dark Bosons
Published 15 September, 2020

"A signal predicted for a type of dark matter appears in the spectra of ytterbium isotopes."

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DOI: https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevLett.125.123002

Hints of Dark Bosons​

September 15, 2020• Physics 13, s115
A signal predicted for a type of dark matter appears in the spectra of ytterbium isotopes.

"In their experiments, both teams measured the so-called isotope shift—the change in atomic spectra exhibited by isotopes of the same element. A group led by Vladan Vuletić of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology measured this shift between five ytterbium istotopes..., could also indicate the existence of dark bosons."

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https://physics.aps.org/articles/v13/s115

i wonder if it is x17 boson since the predicted mass is mev
 
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kodama said:
i wonder if it is x17 boson since the predicted mass is mev

From Wikipedia:

As of December 2019, the ATOMKI paper describing the particle [x17 boson] has not been peer reviewed and should therefore be considered preliminary.[24] In late 2019, a follow-up paper was published in Acta Physica Polonica B.[1] Efforts by CERN and other groups to independently detect the particle have been unsuccessful so far.[25]

The ATOMKI group had claimed to find various other new particles earlier in 2016 but abandoned these claims later, without an explanation of what caused the spurious signals. The group has also been accused of cherry-picking results that support new particles while discarding null results.[5][26]
 
Apparently it has already been disproved, see:
A team led by Tanja Mehlstäubler from the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB) in Braunschweig and Klaus Blaum from the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics (MPIK) in Heidelberg has now confirmed that the anomaly is real. However, the PTB-MPIK researchers say it does not stem from a dark force. Instead, it arises from the way the nuclear structure of ytterbium isotopes deforms as more neutrons are added.
Note that Blaum is also a co-author of the 2025 dark boson paper.

X17 has nothing do with all this.
 
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