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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of Picard iteration, particularly in the context of solving differential equations. Participants explore the method's application, starting points for iteration, and its theoretical underpinnings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help understanding Picard iteration.
  • Another participant provides a detailed example of using Picard iteration to solve the equation y' = y, y(0) = 1, illustrating the iterative process and the emergence of Taylor polynomials.
  • A later reply questions why the iteration starts from a constant function instead of a polynomial, seeking clarification on the choice of starting point.
  • In response, a participant explains that starting with a constant is standard for Picard iteration, although starting with other functions is possible but may complicate the process.
  • It is noted that Picard's iteration is primarily a theoretical method related to existence and uniqueness theorems rather than a practical solving technique.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of starting points for Picard iteration, with some advocating for the constant function while others suggest alternatives. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to starting the iteration.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that while starting from a constant is common, there are no strict rules against using other functions, which may introduce additional complexity. The discussion also highlights the theoretical nature of Picard iteration in relation to differential equations.

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can anyone help me on the concept picard iteration?

thanks in advance
 
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What do you want? A full course in the subject?

Here is a simple example: To solve the equation y'= y, y(0)= 1 using Picard iteration, start by approximating y by a constant. Since we know y(0)= 1, "1" is a good choice. Then the equation becomes y'= 1 and, integrating, y= x+ C. When x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so the first "iteration" gives y= x+ 1.

Now the equation is y'= x+ 1. Integrating, y= (1/2)x2+ x+ C and, setting x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so y= (1/2)x2+ x+ 1.

Now the equation is y'= (1/2)x2+ x+ 1. Integrating, y= (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x+ x+ C and, setting x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so y= (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ 1.

Now the equation is y'= (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ 1. Integrating, y= (1/24)x4+ (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ C and, letting x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so y= y= (1/24)x4+ (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ 1.

Continuing the iteration will give higher and higher powers of x. It should be clear now that we are getting terms of the form (1/n!)xn and that this is giving higher and higher order Taylor Polynomials for ex, the actual solution to y'= y, y(0)= 1.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What do you want? A full course in the subject?

Here is a simple example: To solve the equation y'= y, y(0)= 1 using Picard iteration, start by approximating y by a constant. Since we know y(0)= 1, "1" is a good choice. Then the equation becomes y'= 1 and, integrating, y= x+ C. When x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so the first "iteration" gives y= x+ 1.

Now the equation is y'= x+ 1. Integrating, y= (1/2)x2+ x+ C and, setting x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so y= (1/2)x2+ x+ 1.

Now the equation is y'= (1/2)x2+ x+ 1. Integrating, y= (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x+ x+ C and, setting x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so y= (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ 1.

Now the equation is y'= (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ 1. Integrating, y= (1/24)x4+ (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ C and, letting x= 0, y(0)= C= 1 so y= y= (1/24)x4+ (1/6)x3+ (1/2)x2+ x+ 1.

Continuing the iteration will give higher and higher powers of x. It should be clear now that we are getting terms of the form (1/n!)xn and that this is giving higher and higher order Taylor Polynomials for ex, the actual solution to y'= y, y(0)= 1.
thanks bro.
please give me a full course if u can.
 
Sorry, I'm out of that business now!
 
I was reading your reply,very helpful.
It is just one thing: how do you know you have to start from a constant for your picard iteration, why not some polynomial for example?

thanks
 
Because that's what "Picard iteration" means!

Given a problem like dy/dx= f(x,y), y(x0)= y0, start with the constant function y(x)= y0.

You could, if you like, start with some polynomial, some exponential, etc. but then it would be harder to say what function to start with.

In any case, Picard's iteration was never meant as a method for actually solving a differential equation. It was a method for establishing how to write a solution for use in Picard's "existence and uniquness" theorem.
 

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