A Planar orbit of planets around sun

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The discussion centers on the gravitational interactions of three point masses and their tendency to rotate in a single plane, similar to planets around the sun. It is established that three points determine a plane, but the rotation of these bodies can occur in multiple planes. The conversation emphasizes that while collisions can influence the alignment of orbits, mutual gravitational attraction is also a significant factor. However, without collisions, the three particles may not converge into a single plane. Ultimately, the dynamics of their motion depend on the specific conditions of their gravitational interactions.
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Imagine thee planets interacting through gravity, mathematically how should they come and rotate in a same plane, like planets and sun?
 
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Shubham135 said:
Imagine thee planets interacting through gravity, mathematically how should they come and rotate in a same plane, like planets and sun?

 
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Three points determine a plane.
 
A.T. said:

sir i heard all that the galaxies started as dust and then it cooled and due to angular momentum conservation it happrnd, but my question is that if three point masses are interacting can you give me an equation that tells that they will eventually rotate in a single plane?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Three points determine a plane.
but rotation can be in two planes, think about it, a point fixed at origin second point rotating aroung it in xy plane and third one in yz plane.
 
Shubham135 said:
sir i heard all that the galaxies started as dust and then it cooled and due to angular momentum conservation it happrnd, but my question is that if three point masses
It applies to 3 particles too, but collisions are less likely.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Three points determine a plane.
I think the OP means a plane that contains the Sun too, and has a fixed orientation in an inertial frame.
 
Shubham135 said:
think about it

Good advice.

Three points determine a plane. Three bodies will always be in a plane. It is true that that plane may not be constant in a particular coordinate system (e.g. one where everything is moving up with some velocity) but that is always true.

If you are talking about three planets and the sun, you should say so and do it clearly.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Good advice.

Three points determine a plane. Three bodies will always be in a plane. It is true that that plane may not be constant in a particular coordinate system (e.g. one where everything is moving up with some velocity) but that is always true.

If you are talking about three planets and the sun, you should say so and do it clearly.
 
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I chose three points just to make the problem simpler you can aslo say it for four points they don't lie in a plane nessesarily but thry come in a plane if interacting through a central force
 
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A.T. said:
It applies to 3 particles too, but collisions are less likely.
So they don't come into a place throught collisions ..sp how do they come in the plane?
 
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Shubham135 said:
So they don't come into a place throught collisions ..sp how do they come in the plane?
I mean three particles..if collisions are less likely ..let say one has radius of orbit twise as big than the other and they rotate around sun with sun at center in circular orbits...and their axis of rotation are perpendicular..will they cone to an intermediate plane?
 
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A.T. said:
No.
so the collisions is the only culprit here? or can we say they come into plane through mutual graviational attraction?
 
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Shubham135 said:
I mean three particles..if collisions are less likely ..let say one has radius of orbit twise as big than the other and they rotate around sun with sun at center in circular orbits...and their axis of rotation are perpendicular..will they cone to an intermediate plane?
Without collisions, they won't necessarily tend towards one plane.
 
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