Plane parallel to the xy plane?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a plane that passes through the point (4,2,-7) and is parallel to the xy plane. Participants explore the implications of direction vectors, the form of the plane's equation, and the relationship between planes and lines in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the direction vector for a plane parallel to the xy plane can be (1,1,0) and (2,2,0), but others argue that these vectors are not independent since one is a multiple of the other.
  • It is suggested that proper independent direction vectors would be (1,0,0) and (0,1,0), both having a z-coordinate of 0.
  • Participants discuss the general form of the equation for a plane parallel to the xy plane, which is suggested to be of the form ax + by + cz = d.
  • One participant mentions using the cross product of vectors to find the normal vector and subsequently the equation of the plane.
  • There is a clarification that direction vectors are typically used for lines, not planes, and that the normal vector is more appropriate for defining a plane.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their methods and whether their conclusions are coincidentally correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for independent direction vectors for the plane, but there is disagreement on the interpretation of direction vectors versus normal vectors and the correct formulation of the plane's equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about direction vectors and their independence, as well as the potential confusion between the concepts of lines and planes in the context of the discussion.

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What is the equation of a plane that passes through the point (4,2,-7) and is parallel to the xy plane?

I know that on the xy plane z = 0, so the direction vector is (1,1,0). Would a direction vector of the parallel line be (2,2,0)?

If so the final equation is p=(4,2,-7)+s(1,1,0) + t(2,2,0)?
 
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Raerin said:
What is the equation of a plane that passes through the point (4,2,-7) and is parallel to the xy plane?

I know that on the xy plane z = 0, so the direction vector is (1,1,0). Would a direction vector of the parallel line be (2,2,0)?

If so the final equation is p=(4,2,-7)+s(1,1,0) + t(2,2,0)?

A plane has 2 independent direction vectors.
I'm afraid (1,1,0) and (2,2,0) are not independent.
That's because one is a multiple of the other.
Proper independent vectors would for instance be (1,0,0) and (0,1,0).
They both have z-coordinate 0, and one is not a multiple of the other.

Anyway, the question asks for an equation.
That would be an equation of the form ax+by+cz=d.

Since you know that the plane is supposed to be parallel to the xy plane, what would its general form be?
 
I like Serena said:
A plane has 2 independent direction vectors.
I'm afraid (1,1,0) and (2,2,0) are not independent.
That because one is a multiple of the other.
Proper independent vectors would for instance be (1,0,0) and (0,1,0).
They both have z-coordinate 0, and one is not a multiple of the other.

Anyway, the question asks for an equation.
That would be an equation of the form ax+by+cz=d.

Since you know that the plane is supposed to be parallel to the xy plane, what would its general form be?

So the second direction vector in the parallel plane just need to have z=0 and be non-colinear with the first vector?

For (1,0,0) the equation would be:

z + 7 = 0?
 
Raerin said:
So the second direction vector in the parallel plane just need to have z=0 and be non-colinear with the first vector?

Yep.
For (1,0,0) the equation would be:

z + 7 = 0?

Not sure how you tie (1,0,0) in, but yes, that is the equation of the plane parallel to the xy plane which contains (4,2,-7). :cool:
 
I like Serena said:
Yep.

Not sure how you tie (1,0,0) in, but yes, that is the equation of the plane parallel to the xy plane which contains (4,2,-7). :cool:

I found the cross product between (1,1,0) and (1,0,0). The result was (0,0,1) and I just subbed in (4, 2, -7) to z=0 to find the d value of the equation ax+by+cz+d=0

This method is correct, right? Or was my answer just coincidentally right?
 
Raerin said:
I found the cross product between (1,1,0) and (1,0,0). The result was (0,0,1) and I just subbed in (4, 2, -7) to z=0 to find the d value of the equation ax+by+cz+d=0

This method is correct, right? Or was my answer just coincidentally right?

The method is correct yes.
 
Raerin said:
What is the equation of a plane that passes through the point (4,2,-7) and is parallel to the xy plane?

I know that on the xy plane z = 0, so the direction vector is (1,1,0).
The "direction vector" of what? You use "direction vectors" to find the equaton of a line, not a plane. For a plane, you want to use the normal/b] vector.

Would a direction vector of the parallel line be (2,2,0)?
And here you say "parallel line" rather than "plane". You appear to be confusing the two.

If so the final equation is p=(4,2,-7)+s(1,1,0) + t(2,2,0)?
If the xy- plane, where every point has the form (x, y, 0) has equation z= 0, isn't it obvious that the equation of a plane parallel to that must be "z= constant" for some constant?
 

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