Planets or stars that are composed entirely out from Dark Matter.

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The discussion explores the possibility of stars and planets being composed entirely of dark matter (DM), including considerations of how such celestial bodies could be detected and the physical principles governing their formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of stars and planets being composed entirely of dark matter, noting uncertainty about the definition of a star based on its fuel.
  • Another participant asserts that dark matter cannot lose enough energy to collapse into stars or planets, referencing the concept of early Universe dark stars that are predominantly matter.
  • A follow-up question asks how much energy dark matter would need to lose to collapse into celestial bodies.
  • Further elaboration suggests that dark matter cannot lose energy through processes like heat transformation, which is necessary for the formation of larger objects from smaller ones.
  • One participant emphasizes that if dark matter consists of particles, they cannot combine to form larger structures due to their inability to lose energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of dark matter forming stars or planets, with multiple competing views regarding the physical properties of dark matter and its ability to collapse into larger celestial bodies.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the energy dynamics of dark matter and its interactions, particularly regarding its inability to lose energy and the implications for celestial formation.

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Is there a possibility that there are stars and planets that are composed entirely of DM?

How would we detect such stars or planets?
Well, I am not sure about stars, as the definition of a star depends on its fuel that it uses, I guess.
 
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No. Dark matter has no way of getting rid of enough energy to collapse that far. There is the concept of an early Universe dark star where DM annihilation prevents further collapse. Even these objects are predominantly matter.
 
Orodruin said:
No. Dark matter has no way of getting rid of enough energy to collapse that far.
How much energy does it need to get rid of in order to collapse to one of these celestial bodies?
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
How much energy does it need to get rid of in order to collapse to one of these celestial bodies?
The problem is that DM cannot lose energy. For instance, think two masses (baryonic) that are colliding with each other. If they make an inelastic collision then they will lose some energy which means that kinetic energy of the particles transforms into heat or etc. Now, they are moving as one piece.However if DM is made from particles, according to the observations, they cannot lose their energy via heat. This implies that they cannot combine with each other to create bigger objects. Because this process needs an energy transformation from kinetic energy to heat, which DM particles are not capable of.
 
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Arman777 said:
However if DM is made from particles, according to the observations, they cannot their energy via heat. This implies that they cannot combine with each other to create bigger objects. Because this process needs an energy transformation from kinetic energy to heat, which DM particles are not capable of.
Contrary to your signature, DM don't connect... :-)
 
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