Plasma assumed as a perfect eletrical conductor?

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The discussion revolves around the assumptions of ideal magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) in the context of plasma physics, particularly regarding the behavior of electric fields in a plasma considered as a perfect electrical conductor within a tokamak. Participants explore the implications of these assumptions and the conditions under which electric fields may or may not be zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that electric fields inside a perfect conductor are zero, suggesting that this is not adequately addressed in existing literature.
  • Another participant states that the electric field inside a conductor will be zero if the charges are static.
  • Some participants argue that while there may be currents, the electric charge distribution must remain static, and a time-dependent magnetic field will result in a non-vanishing electric field.
  • One participant posits that in a perfect conductor or superconductor, it is possible to have current flow while the electric field remains zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which electric fields can be considered zero in a perfect conductor, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of static versus dynamic conditions for electric fields and charge distributions, but do not reach a consensus on the implications for plasmas in tokamaks.

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(Wasn't sure on the right section for plasma physics, I apologise if this is wrong).I'm reading up right now on a plasma surrounded by a tokamak wall, and the assumption of ideal magnetohydrodynamics - which assumes very little internal electrical resistivity and so the plasma can be assumed as a perfect electrical conductor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics#Ideal_and_resistive_MHD

But aren't all electric fields inside a perfect conductor equal to zero? This seems to go without mention in both that wiki page and a number of textbooks I'm reading.

The tokamak walls themselves are assumed to be perfectly conducting too. From this, it's shown that the tangential component of the electrical field E_t is continuous across the boundary and thus must also be zero.

But surely wouldn't this have been obvious? If the plasma is perfectly conducting then the electric field components are zero everywhere? Why would I need boundary conditions to show that?I'm at a bit of a loss. The only thing I can think of is that the plasma is under the effect of varies magnetic fields created by external coils, which creates a plasma current along with helical fields. Is E = 0 for a perfect conductor under the assumption the conductor is under no external effects from outside sources?
 
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The electric field inside a conductor will be zero if the charges are static.
 
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There may be currents, but the electric charge distribution ##\rho## has to be static. Also magnetic field has to be static:
$$
\partial_t \mathbf B = -\nabla \times\mathbf E
$$
implies that time-dependent magnetic field will be accompanied by non-vanishing electric field.
 
Jano L. said:
There may be currents, but the electric charge distribution ##\rho## has to be static. Also magnetic field has to be static:
$$
\partial_t \mathbf B = -\nabla \times\mathbf E
$$
implies that time-dependent magnetic field will be accompanied by non-vanishing electric field.

If there are currents than the charges are moving.
 
Yes, but current does not necessarily mean charge distribution changes. In a perfect conductor (or superconductor), there may be current while electric field vanishes.
 

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