Polynomial Expansion: Find Number of Terms in Any Expansion

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The discussion revolves around the topic of polynomial expansion, specifically focusing on finding the number of terms in the expansion of a polynomial raised to a power. Participants explore various formulas and approaches to derive or prove the number of terms resulting from such expansions.

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  • One participant introduces a formula for determining the number of terms in the expansion of a polynomial to the yth power, suggesting it as n-y-1Cy.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the initial formula, asking for definitions of variables and suggesting a possible omission of parentheses.
  • A participant clarifies that the correct formula should be n+y-1 C y, explaining the meaning of the notation used.
  • Discussion includes the interpretation of terms in the polynomial expansion, with one participant noting that each term will have a degree of y, leading to a combinatorial problem of finding integer solutions to an equation.
  • Some participants draw connections between the polynomial expansion problem and other mathematical questions, such as finding pairs of integers that satisfy a given equation.
  • One participant attempts to prove the formula through induction, providing a detailed breakdown of how the number of terms evolves as more variables are added.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation used, with one participant emphasizing that "C" refers to combinations, not just "choose."

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Participants express differing views on the correct formula for determining the number of terms in polynomial expansions, with no consensus reached on a single formula or approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to prove the proposed formulas.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and notations used in the formulas, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the proofs presented. The discussion also highlights the complexity of combinatorial reasoning in polynomial expansions.

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Hello
I'm trying to do some research on polynomial expansion however my math isn't that good to do high level calculations, proofs and so on. A while ago my friend came up with a formula for finding number of terms in any expansion of a polynomial to the y power. For example for
(a+b+c+d)^4 = 35 terms
Formula: n-y-1Cy for n = number of terms in paranthases.
Can anyone help me, give some clues on how to proof this formula or show me a proof?
Thanks!
 
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What is y? What is C? Are you sure you haven't omitted any parantheses here?
 
Basically, what you're doing in your example to get the 35 terms is picking 4 objects from a collection of 4, allowing repetition. In general, you have (a_1 + a_2 + \dots + a_n)^y. Are you saying that the formula is \binom{n-y-1}{y}?
 
Sorry for bad explanation and wrong formula after all,
for any polynomial (with number of terms n) to the yth power we may find number of terms after expansion by
n+y-1 C y
C means 'choose' for example aCb = a!
-----------
(a-b)! b!

for polynomial (a+b+c+d)^4 where number of terms is 4 (a, b, c, d) we may find number of terms after expansion by 4+3C4 which is 7C4 = 35
Thanks for all the help.
 
nCr is the same as \binom{n}{r} Just different notation.
 
Clearly, each term in the expansion of (a_{1} + a_{2} + \dots + a_{n})^y will have degree y.
Let an arbitary term be a_{1}^{p}a_{2}^{q}a_{3}^r\dots then according to the condition p+q+r...=y.
Thus, find the number of integer solutions of the above equation. that's your required number of terms.
 
This is kind of interesting in that it might imply a quick solution to a question such as "how many pairs of integers satisfy a+b=100" and beyond, no?
 
hypermonkey2 said:
This is kind of interesting in that it might imply a quick solution to a question such as "how many pairs of integers satisfy a+b=100" and beyond, no?

well, there is a quick solution to your question hypermonkey2, though i do not know the proof...

the number of solutions to a_1x_1 + a_2x_2 + \dots + a_nx_n = p \ where \ b_i \leq x_i \leq c_i \mbox{for}\ 1 \leq i \leq n is given by the coefficient of t^n in the expression

\prod ( (t^{a_i})^{b_i} + (t^{a_i})^{b_i + 1} + (t^{a_i})^{b_i + 2} + \dots + (t^{a_i})^{c_i})\where \ 1 \leq i \leq n

this however also includes solutions so that two x_i may be equal. for distinct solutions introduce dummy variables so that condition of distinctness is removed. introduction of a dummy variable can be extended to number of solutions of the equation a_1x_1 + a_2x_2 + \dots + a_nx_n \leq p.
 
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After spending some time trying to figure out what this is about, I think I see what the problem is. Let p = the power and n=number of linear terms, C = the combinations, then the number of terms in

(\sum n)^p=(p+n-1) C (p).

For p=1 it is trivial, and easy enough for p=2; I'll go ahead and show it for all n for p=3.

If n=1, then by the formula we should have 3C3=1, which is correct, and represents (a)^3=a^3, which is one term.

Now if it is true for n terms, which I represent as u and we add one more term, call it b, then we have by the binominal formula:

(u+b)^3=u^3+3u^2b+3ub^2+b^3

In this case b^3 adds only 1 term. 3ub^2 adds n more terms. 3u^2b adds (n+1)C2. (This by how the squares work) and u^3 by the induction hypothses adds (n+2)C3.

So we have (n+2)(n+1)n/6+(n+1)n/2+n+1 =(n+1)/6{n^2+2n+3n+6}=
(n+1)/6{(n+2)(n+3)}=(n+3)C3. Or the induction is complete for p=3.
 
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heartless said:
Sorry for bad explanation and wrong formula after all,
for any polynomial (with number of terms n) to the yth power we may find number of terms after expansion by
n+y-1 C y
C means 'choose' for example aCb = a!
-----------
(a-b)! b!

for polynomial (a+b+c+d)^4 where number of terms is 4 (a, b, c, d) we may find number of terms after expansion by 4+3C4 which is 7C4 = 35
Thanks for all the help.
C actually means combination, not choose. Choose is only a simpler representative word for combination to help people to understand better.
 

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