Population Dynamics: Solving Differential Equations for (a), (b), and (c)

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The discussion revolves around modeling the population dynamics of a fish species in a lake using differential equations, specifically focusing on the logistic growth model and the effects of different harvesting strategies. Participants explore scenarios involving fixed and percentage-based harvesting rates, as well as determining safe harvesting limits to maintain the population.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a logistic model for population growth, represented by the equation \(\frac{dP}{dt}=rP\left(1-\frac{P}{k}\right)\), where \(r\) is the growth rate and \(k\) is the carrying capacity.
  • Another participant suggests that to account for a fixed harvest of 150 fish per year, this value should be subtracted from the growth equation.
  • There is a discussion about whether to subtract 25% of the initial population or the current population in the case of a percentage-based harvest, with some participants emphasizing the need to use the current population in the model.
  • One participant questions how to format the equation to reflect the subtraction of 25% of the current population, suggesting the term \(0.25 P\) for inclusion in the differential equation.
  • For the third scenario, participants analyze the stationary solutions by defining the annual harvest as \(50n\) and examining the roots of a quadratic equation derived from the population dynamics model.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of a negative discriminant in the quadratic equation, indicating potential extinction of the population.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to model the harvesting effects, particularly regarding whether to use initial or current population figures. The discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to represent the harvesting in the differential equations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the population dynamics, particularly in how harvesting is integrated into the logistic growth model. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of population size at different times.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in population dynamics, mathematical modeling, and the effects of harvesting on species sustainability.

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Suppose that the population of a species of fish in a certain lake is hypothesized to grow according to a logistic model of population growth with growth rate \(r=0.3\) and carrying capacity \(k=3000\). Assume initially there are 2500 fish of the species in the lake. Determine the correct differential equation for each of the scenarios below.

(a) Each year 150 fish are harvested from the lake.
(b) Each year 25% of the fish are harvested from the lake.
(c) What is a maximum (within 50) safe fixed amount to harvest each year in order to assure that there will always be some fish in the lake.


Now I am looking and re-reading in my book, but I am rather confused by this. I am reading in the section entitled "Autonomous Equations and Population Dynamics".
 
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If $P$ is the population at time $t$, $r$ is the growth rate, and $k$ is the carrying capacity, then we may model the population with the IVP:

$$\frac{dP}{dt}=rP\left(1-\frac{P}{k} \right)$$ where $$P(0)=P_0$$

This model does not account for any harvesting. So what you need to do is introduce a term that accounts for the harvesting in each case. Beginning with part (a), what should you add to the ODE to account for 150 fish being harvested each year?
 
Would it be a simple subtraction of 150?
 
alane1994 said:
Would it be a simple subtraction of 150?

Yes, it is as simple as that. :D

So, what about part (b)?
 
Would we subtract \(0.25 P_0\)?

On a side note, I asked this on another site that I am rather active on.
http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/5252e0b5e4b006c9e48abf4e
The guy literally copied what you said, verbatim.

Funny enough he didn't even format it properly so that the \(\LaTeX\) would display...
 
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You are subtracting 25% of the initial population each year, you want to subtract 25% of the current population instead...(Thinking)

When you said someone copied what I said, I thought perhaps they gave you the same equation, but I see they did in fact simply copy and paste my response. :D
 
How would I format that so that it would be subtracting 0.25 of the population of the specific years?

\(0.25 P\) perhaps?

And would you put that into the equation where the P normally would be?

\(\displaystyle \frac{dP}{dt} = rP(1-\frac{0.25P}{k})\)

Well, I have to go now. I will be back on later, and if not, definitely tomorrow!
 
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alane1994 said:
How would I format that so that it would be subtracting 0.25 of the population of the specific years?

\(0.25 P\) perhaps?

And would you put that into the equation where the P normally would be?

\(\displaystyle \frac{dP}{dt} = rP(1-\frac{0.25P}{k})\)

Yes, the term to add to the original ODE would be $$-\frac{1}{4}P$$.

If you replace $P$ as you did with $0.25P$ you are changing the natural carrying capacity...you are in effect making it 4 times as large.

For part (c) we want to analyze the stationary solutions. Suppose we define the annual harvest to be $$50n$$ where $$n\in\mathbb{N}$$, then we want to look at the roots of:

$$\frac{3}{10}P-\frac{1}{10000}P^2-50n=0$$

$$P^2-3000P+500000n=0$$

If the discriminant is negative, then there are no stationary solutions, and extinction is imminent.

You see, we have the time rate of change of the population being equal to a quadratic, which opens downward. If there are no real roots, then the population must always be on the decline, since $$\frac{dP}{dt}<0$$ for all $P$.
 
Thank you very much for your help and time, I really appreciate it! I remember back to when we briefly covered this earlier in the semester... didn't quite get it then either :o
 

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