Position of elementary particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the position of elementary particles in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the implications of the uncertainty principle and the nature of particle position. Participants explore theoretical interpretations and practical observations related to particle position.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the claim that elementary particles do not have a position, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant explains the uncertainty principle, stating that it limits the ability to know both the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously, suggesting that particles have a "smeared" position.
  • A different viewpoint argues that elementary particles can have a definite position, citing the example of an electron hitting a screen and creating a detectable dot, which implies a specific location at that moment.
  • Another participant adds that particles in quantum mechanics are fields and can have infinitely many positions, but in certain situations, they can be localized to a single point in space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present competing views on whether elementary particles have a definite position, with some asserting that they do and others emphasizing the limitations imposed by the uncertainty principle. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of particle position.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the uncertainty principle and its implications for measuring particle position, indicating that definitions and interpretations may vary. There is also mention of experimental evidence that could support different perspectives.

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My teacher told me that elementary particles don't have position. Well, I don't understand this; it's like an oxymoron to me. Anyone with a easy-to-understand explanation?
 
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What your teacher is talking about is something called the uncertainy principle. What that says is that for a subatomic particle (uncertainy of location X uncertainy of momentum) >= constant. In other words, you can't know the exact location or momentum of a particle. And as the uncertainy of momentum goes down, the uncertainy of location goes up and visa versa.

This means that we can't peg a subatomic particle at exactly one location. There is a limit of uncertainy that can't be passed. Sure they have position, but the position is smeared.
 
Actually, we need to be careful with this. Your teacher is describing the uncertainty principle, which is often misunderstood. The reason why I say this is because many elementary particles, such as an electron, CAN have a definite position. When an electron hits a screen, it makes a DOT, and you have already determined that the electron had that position.

The uncertainty principle indicates our ability to PREDICT the relevant measurement under identical conditions. It doesn't say that a particle doesn't have a "position". It does. It is just how well we can tell the position measurement would turn out if we happen to know its momentum before hand.

Zz.
 
Helicobacter said:
My teacher told me that elementary particles don't have position. Well, I don't understand this

Your teacher told you that the particles in QM (every particle, not only elementary) are fields and therefore in general have infinitely many positions. As interested_learner and ZapperZ explain to you, in the specific physical situation it may be just a single point in space(position). Today experimenters may show to you the detailed picture of the single electron/photon with any precision you will require.

Dany.
 
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