Possible cause of the Uncertainty effect on leptons

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Hi! I had a thought as to how leptons hold the properties attributed to them by Heisenberg and modern quantum mechanics.

It is my belief that the Uncertainty principle is caused only by the fact that the fast moving electrons distort space and time in their local fields. This may be accounted for by sub atomic relativistic effects acting on the lepton particle with certain characteristics of matter and energy, as if it were uncertain whether to be of the two. The dual characteristics provide it with unique properties and of such, is the ability to exist as a probability. The particle may even, due to its quantum characteristics, exist in multiple dimensions where time and space act upon matter differently than our own but still affecting this universe.

If it is at all possible that someone could either offer a better explanation or whether i could be right or wrong (the uncertainty is killing me!) that would be great.

Thanks, Austin
 

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It is my belief that the Uncertainty principle is caused only by the fact that the fast moving electrons distort space and time in their local fields. This may be accounted for by sub atomic relativistic effects acting on the lepton particle with certain characteristics of matter and energy, as if it were uncertain whether to be of the two.
Your hypothesis is falsified by about 10 different things. For one, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) applies to all quantum objects. That would be slow moving molecules, particles with no rest mass, etc. The HUP does not require, for its application, for anything to be particularly moving as it applies to particle spin components too (don't mistake that for meaning something is literally spinning, because it isn't). Also, it applies to separate entangled particle pairs - which by your idea it shouldn't.

There are tens of thousands of papers being published annually on QM, and it has been around for over 80 years. I would recommend you learn a little more about some of the basics of Quantum theory before you go too far with your speculations. :smile: Just a little friendly advice.
 
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Exactly, trust me not an unexpected response. In my opinion, a wrong answer is worth more than a correct one. :smile:

So to your knowledge, what causes the properties of "HUP" particles?
And by that do you mean all fermions are subject to HUP?
 
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So to your knowledge, what causes the properties of "HUP" particles?
And by that do you mean all fermions are subject to HUP?
I have no idea of the cause other than it is a consequence of the postulates of QM.

The HUP applies to bosons, fermions, atoms, molecules... even to me. Although as mass/particle number increases, the effect decreases substantially.
 
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The HUP applies to bosons, fermions, atoms, molecules... even to me. Although as mass/particle number increases, the effect decreases substantially.
So its just a matter of perspective at that rate?

An interesting thought in you saying that... if mass as a conglomeration is effected (nominally of course) then are gravitational waves also subject to uncertainty?
 
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So its just a matter of perspective at that rate?

An interesting thought in you saying that... if mass as a conglomeration is effected (nominally of course) then are gravitational waves also subject to uncertainty?
No one knows if gravity is actually a quantum force or not. So that is an open question.
 
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As you said bosons, and to that extent hadrons, which are the main constituents of mass also are subjugated to quantum effects. As gravity is clearly defined by modern understanding to be consequential of the existence of mass, which is subject to HUP, it must have a "probable" field. I don't see how that could be a question.
 
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As you said bosons, and to that extent hadrons, which are the main constituents of mass also are subjugated to quantum effects. As gravity is clearly defined by modern understanding to be consequential of the existence of mass, which is subject to HUP, it must have a "probable" field. I don't see how that could be a question.
Well, for one thing, there is not the slightest evidence of it.
 
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Explain.

Originally there was an absence of evidence for Einsteins claims.
 
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I think you are missing an important point: the HUP applies to EVERY conjugate pair, not only to particles.
A good example (and it is good because it happens to be what I work on :smile:) is that the HUP applies to the charge and phase of an electrical circuit. In other words, if you use a QM description of a simple passive electrical circuit (with resistors, capacitors and inductors) you will find that the charge (of say the capacitor) and the phase of the electrical signal are bound by the HUP.
Note that the properties of electrons etc are complettely irrelvant here, it is a "macroscopic" property of all electrical circuits (in the limit of very low temperatures etc, or otherwise the effect will be hidden by thermal fluctuations.

There are lots of examples like this. The key here is to realize that QM describes everything around us, it is not just a theory of atoms and subatomic particles.
 
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Originally there was an absence of evidence for Einsteins claims.
That probably makes more sense to you than to me. No evidence is no evidence.

On the other hand, there was, in fact, immediate evidence for many of Einstein's theoretical advances. And most importantly, they usually made new predictions which could be used to test the theory further.
 

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