Potential Elastic Energy & Kinetic Energy

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of kinetic energy to potential elastic energy in a spring system, involving a mass of 8.0 kg and a spring constant of 250 N/m. The original poster is uncertain about their calculations regarding the distance the spring compresses when a mass strikes it with a speed of 5.0 m/s.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy, questioning whether additional gravitational potential energy should be considered if the mass is dropped vertically. There is discussion about the correct application of energy equations and the interpretation of the problem setup.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting that the scenario may involve vertical motion and the need to account for gravitational potential energy. Others indicate that if the motion is horizontal and frictionless, the calculations align with the expected answer. There is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the problem, but various perspectives are being explored.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the problem's setup, particularly whether it involves vertical or horizontal motion, and the implications of gravity in the calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their previous answer and the terminology used in their studies.

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[RESOLVED] Potential Elastic Energy & Kinetic Energy

Homework Statement


A mass of 8.0 kg arrives at a spring, with the K coefficient (constante de rappel in french) of 250 N/m with a speed of 5.0 m/s It hits the spring and returns in the other way.

Homework Equations


[tex]E= 1/2mv^{2}[/tex]
[tex]E= 1/2Kx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]E_{before}=E_{after}[/tex]
[tex]1/2mv^{2} = 1/2Kx[/tex]
[tex](1/2)(8)(5)^{2} = (1/2)(250)x[/tex]
[tex](1/2)(8)(5)^{2} = (1/2)(250)x[/tex]
[tex]100 = 125x[/tex]
[tex]100/125 = x[/tex]
[tex]0.8 = x[/tex]

This gives me a distance of 0.8 meters, I have indicated that the answer was 0.89 meters, now I am not sure if I mistakingly indicated 0.89meters or I made a mistake at some point.

I appreciate your help in advanced.
 
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If this is vertically dropped then there is the additional PE from gravity that needs to be accounted for in the potential energy transferred to the spring.

Namely you have

½mv² + mgx = ½kx²
 
LowlyPion said:
If this is vertically dropped then there is the additional PE from gravity that needs to be accounted for in the potential energy transferred to the spring.

Namely you have

½mv² + mgx = ½kx²

Thank you for your help so far.

I believe the formula for elastic energy that we learned is ½kx and not ½kx² but anyhow.

I have tried with both formulas and did not get an answer closer to the 0.89 written answer, it also did not indicate at any point that it was horizontally dropped and there was nothing about gravity or any friction therefore there is none.

I apologize in advance for any french-ized terms but I study physics in french so I try my best to translate this to english.
 
If it is horizontal and frictionless then there is a straight conversion of Kinetic to Potential energy at maximum detent.

If it is vertical then there is the additional change in gravitational potential over the distance of the detent.
 
If you know the answer is .89 then it is horizontal and frictionless.

½*8*52 = 100 = ½*250*x2

x2 = 100/125 = .8

x = .89
 
Heh, I was writing the way on how I figured it out and you wrote it.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I can't say how much I appreciate your help.

Here's how I did it step by step
[tex]1/2mv^{2} = 1/2Kx^{2}[/tex]
[tex](1/2)(8)(5)^{2} = (1/2)(250)x^{2}[/tex]
[tex]100 = 125x^{2}[/tex]
[tex]100/125 = x^{2}[/tex]
[tex]0.8 = x^{2}[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{0.8} = x[/tex]
[tex]0.89 = x[/tex]
 

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