Predicting the form of solution of PDE

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The discussion revolves around predicting the functional form of the solution to a partial differential equation (PDE) involving variables and parameters such as pressure gradient and a constant. Participants explore reasoning and mathematical manipulation to justify their predictions regarding the solution's dependence on these variables.

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  • One participant questions how to conclude that the solution of the PDE is of the form u=f(x,y,∂p/∂x,a), suggesting that while u will depend on x, y, and a, the role of ∂p/∂x may not be straightforward.
  • Another participant asserts that since the PDE has derivatives in both x and y, these variables must be part of the solution, and if a is constant, it will parametrize the solution based on the pressure gradient.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the treatment of ∂p/∂x, with one suggesting it may change to p(x)+C, while another insists that it remains an input function without integration.
  • A later reply proposes substituting the functional form into the PDE, indicating that if the form depends on P(x,y), then P(x,y) should also appear in the PDE.
  • One participant connects the discussion to the Buckingham Pi theorem, suggesting it provides a formal method to identify independent variables, while another counters that the theorem is only applicable if the general functional form is known.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the pressure gradient term and its implications for the functional form of the solution. There is no consensus on whether ∂p/∂x should be treated as a constant or an input function, and the applicability of the Buckingham Pi theorem is also contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their reasoning, such as assumptions about the constancy of parameters and the dependence on specific forms of the pressure gradient.

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Predicting the functional form of solution of PDE

How do you conclude that the solution of the PDE

u(x,y)\frac{∂u(x,y)}{∂x}+\upsilon(x,y)\frac{∂u(x,y)}{∂y}=-\frac{dp(x)}{dx}+\frac{1}{a}\frac{∂^{2}u(x,y)}{dy^{2}}

is of the functional form

u=f(x,y,\frac{dp(x)}{dx},a) ?


I know this seems obvious, but I think it might not be necessary. How can you predict this by using reason, mathematical manipulation, etc?


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I get the fact that u will be a function of x, y, and a, but what about d/dx p(x)? Won't it change to something like p(x)+C leaving u to be no longer a function of d/dx p(x)?
 
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It's sort of obvious really. It has derivative in both x and y, so they must be part of the solution. If a is constant then you will know that will paramatrise the solution and it will be dependent on the forcing term (the pressure gradient)
 
hunt_mat said:
It's sort of obvious really. It has derivative in both x and y, so they must be part of the solution. If a is constant then you will know that will paramatrise the solution and it will be dependent on the forcing term (the pressure gradient)

But won't the term \frac{d}{dx}p(x) change to something like p(x)+constant ?
 
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You're not integrating anything, dp/dx will be your input function.
 
hunt_mat said:
You're not integrating anything, dp/dx will be your input function.

You will have to integrate it in order to obtain a solution :)
 
Substitute the functional form into the PDE, effectively replacing u(x,y) and its gradients. If the functional form is depending on P(x,y) directly, then P(x,y) should also appear in the PDE.
 
I'm quite sure that this is connected to the Buckingham Pi theorem as well, which would give you a mathematical way to get all the independent variables in a formal way.
 
The pi theorem is okay if you know the general functional form but not for general problems
 

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