Problem simplifying an equation

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The discussion revolves around simplifying an equation involving the variable P, specifically transitioning from one equation to another in the context of algebraic manipulation.

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  • Participants discuss the steps taken to manipulate the equation, including moving terms and multiplying by expressions. There are questions about the equivalence of the two equations and the implications of specific values for variables.

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Some participants have offered steps for manipulation, while others express skepticism about the equivalence of the two forms of the equation. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of certain variable values, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus.

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Participants are navigating potential errors in the solution process and expressing frustration with the complexity of the problem, which may be affecting their understanding.

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What is the steps between the two equations?


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[tex]P = a^{2}P+b^{2}P^{2}/(P+1) \Rightarrow P^{2}-(a^{2}+b^{2}-1)P-b^{2} = 0[/tex]

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mr.t said:
What is the steps between the two equations?

[tex]P = a^{2}P+b^{2}P^{2}/(P+1) \Rightarrow P^{2}-(a^{2}+b^{2}-1)P-b^{2} = 0[/tex]

Thanks!

Hi mr.t! :smile:

i] put the a2P on the left

ii] multiply both sides by (P + 1) :smile:
 
Hello Tiny-tim!
Putting the [tex]a^{2}P[/tex] to the left and multiply both sides with (P+1) gives:

[tex](P+1)(P-a^{2}P) = b^{2}P^{2} \Rightarrow[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow P^{2}-a^{2}P^{2}+P-a^{2}P-b^{2}P^{2} = 0 \Rightarrow[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow P^{2}(1-a^{2}-b^{2})+P(1-a^{2}) = 0[/tex]

But I still can't come to the final solution? :S
 
I don't think the two steps are equivalent. Let b=0, then a^2=1 if [tex]P \neq 0[/tex]. Substituting these into the second equation, we have a^2 = 1 only if [tex]P = 0[/tex]
 
It could be an error in the solution then no fun try to learn stuff when you end up spending your time figuring out the imposible...

thanks for your time anyway!
 

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