Prodi defeats Berlusconi defeats Truman

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the recent Italian national election results, focusing on the claims of victory by Romano Prodi and the responses from Silvio Berlusconi and his supporters. The conversation touches on the implications of a potential coalition government and the stability of Prodi's coalition, as well as the political dynamics at play.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Prodi has declared victory with a narrow margin, despite the absence of final results and ongoing counts of votes from Italians abroad.
  • Others express skepticism about Prodi's coalition, highlighting that it consists of nine parties and may struggle to maintain a stable majority in the lower house.
  • A participant mentions a 500-page agreement signed by the Left parties, suggesting a more formalized coalition compared to previous arrangements.
  • Some express strong opinions about Berlusconi, labeling him negatively and suggesting that his political influence should be diminished.
  • There are mentions of Berlusconi requesting a recount and possibly offering a coalition government, indicating ongoing contention over the election results.
  • Participants reflect on the significance of individual votes in such a tightly contested election.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement. While some support Prodi's victory and express optimism about his coalition, others are skeptical about its longevity and the implications of Berlusconi's potential responses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final outcome and the future stability of the government.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the official results and the counting of votes from Italians abroad, which may affect the final determination of the election outcome. The dynamics of the coalition and the potential for instability due to the involvement of multiple parties are also noted.

Rach3
As of the minute, Prodi has (prematurely?) declared victory for his Union coalition, by a provisional margin of 49.8% to 49.7% (BBC):

NYT said:
Italian National Election Remains Too Close to Call

...By 3 a.m. Tuesday there were still no clear results, though early voter surveys showed a victory for Mr. Prodi, 66, a former professor who had beaten Mr. Berlusconi 10 years ago in another race for prime minister.

Even though votes from Italians living abroad remained uncounted, and results showed Mr. Berlusconi ahead in the upper house of Parliament, Mr. Prodi appeared just before 3 a.m. to his supporters in central Rome to claim victory.

"We've won," he said. "Now we have to work to change Italy. We have to work for the unity of this country."

But Mr. Berlusconi's chief spokesman, Paolo Buonaiuti, said the celebration was premature. "The House of Liberty contests that the center-left has politically won the elections," he said in a statement, referring to Mr. Berlusconi's center-right coalition
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/w...&en=4017aec1c23a0552&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 
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Berlusconi's more bent than a U-bend. But Prodi's coalition consists of nine parties, and even if they manage to get a majority in the lower house it's going to be about 2 or 3 seats.

This isn't going to last. The Communists now have enough seats to being down the government if they pull out, and I don't see them sticking around for long.
 
Well the Left did have a 500 odd page "aggrement" outlining what they want to achieve which all parties signed, so it seems to be a political coalition rather than what happened before. But you may be right...
 
Congratulations Italy!
"Getting rid of" Berlusconi is very good news.
(Although there's now another problem of how to get rid of the communists...)
 
They haven't got rid of him yet :) They are awaiting the "offical results"

I love politcal soap opra heh
 
Yeah, heard Berlusconi also "offers" a coalision government...bad looser?
 
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Talk about your individual really vote being important...
 

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