Profile evaluation for astronomy Phd applicant in the fall 2023 cycle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on evaluating a prospective Ph.D. applicant's profile for Astronomy programs for the fall 2023 cycle. Participants explore the applicant's academic background, research experience, and application strategy, while addressing the competitive nature of graduate admissions in Astronomy.

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Main Points Raised

  • The applicant expresses concern about being overly ambitious in targeting top universities and seeks advice on improving their application profile.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of the quality of research contributions over mere publication status.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of application deadlines, with conflicting views on whether the applicant is applying for fall 2023 or fall 2024.
  • Some participants question the relevance of the applicant's nationality and gender in the context of their application.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of "donating money" to top schools, with varying interpretations of the applicant's intent.
  • One participant notes that the categorization of schools as reach/target/safety does not apply to graduate admissions, highlighting the holistic nature of the evaluation process.
  • It is suggested that applicants should focus on finding a good research fit with potential supervisors and consider departmental needs and funding availability.
  • Participants note that Astronomy programs are competitive and typically have fewer applicants, which may affect admission chances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the competitive nature of graduate admissions but express differing opinions on the significance of various factors such as nationality, gender, and the applicant's strategy for targeting schools. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicant's ambitions and the best approach to improve their chances.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the applicant's test scores, letters of recommendation, and specific details about their research experience. The conversation reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations about the admissions process.

Who May Find This Useful

Prospective Ph.D. applicants in Astronomy or related fields, individuals interested in graduate admissions processes, and those seeking insights into application strategies may find this discussion relevant.

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I will apply for a Ph.D. in Astronomy in the fall of 2023. I want to have a realistic evaluation of my profile to see if I am over-ambitious or not. I think I am out of reach for the "big four" universities. I will donate money to two of them only and will be targeting other top schools.

Undergrad institution: A top university in my country.

Nationality: Southeast Asian male.

GPA: 3.7/4.0.

Research experience: One summer at my school, one summer at a national lab, currently at a European school. I have three letters of recommendation.

Publication: I am writing up a paper that will be submitted soon.

GRE: I plan to take the GRE.

TOEFL: I plan to take the TOEFL.

Prizes and honors: Two dean's lists, one scholarship.

Research interest: I am interested in computer astrophysics simulation.

Here is my list grouped by ranking/reputation:

Donation:

  • Princeton
  • Harvard
Top schools:

  • UCSC
  • Arizona
  • Colorado Boulder
  • Columbia
Target:

  • UIUC
  • Virginia
Safety:

  • Northwestern
  • Georgia Tech
  • Michigan State
  • Rochester Institute of Technology
Am I too ambitious? What should I do to improve my odds?
 
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First, always, always, write proper English. That includes capitalization and punctuation. There is a saying "practice makes perfect" but in fact "practice makes permanent:",

Second, nobody can tell you the exact answer to your question - we don't have your test scores (neither do you) or your letters of recommendation or even your country. If you want to go to a US grad school, apply to a wide range.

The fact that you have published is hardly relevant. What matters more is how good the papers are and what you contributed - which the letters should cover. "I published:" is the same as " said something"". Did you say anything meaningful and important?

"The best school in my country" is a country-dependent statement. India is not Pakistan is not Nepal is not Myanmar.
 
Unfortunately, if you're hoping for fall admission, the deadline for applications has quite likely already passed. Typically deadlines for graduate programs that start in September have application deadlines in December or January. Check out the application deadlines for the particular schools that you're interested in, but if you don't already have your applications in, you're most likely looking at competing for admission for fall 2024.
 
I read this as he will apply in Fall 2023 for admission in Fall 2024.
 
firearmsguy said:
Nationality: Southeast Asian male.
What has your sex to do with nationality?
 
malawi_glenn said:
What has your sex to do with nationality?
We know he's not an Amazon of myth?
 
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I found the "donate money" to two top schools the more interesting comment. How much are we talking? For enough money, I expect pretty much anywhere will give someone a shot at a PhD. Whether they are successful or not, well, that's another story.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I found the "donate money" to two top schools the more interesting comment.
At first I thought he meant, he was going to pay the application fee even though he expected to be rejected. Now I'm not sure what the intent is.
 
Choppy said:
Unfortunately, if you're hoping for fall admission, the deadline for applications has quite likely already passed. Typically deadlines for graduate programs that start in September have application deadlines in December or January. Check out the application deadlines for the particular schools that you're interested in, but if you don't already have your applications in, you're most likely looking at competing for admission for fall 2024.
Oh yes I should clarify that I am applying this fall 😳
 
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gmax137 said:
At first I thought he meant, he was going to pay the application fee even though he expected to be rejected. Now I'm not sure what the intent is.
Somewhat a description of them being super competitive 😂
 
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You should know that unlike undergraduate admissions, the practice of designating universities as reach/target/safety does not apply for graduate admissions. Certainly there's more likely and less less likely, but your chances for admission can not be quantified in such a way as to reliably apply them to those buckets. Admission is holistic and research fit with potential supervisors, available funding, and departmental need have an outsized weighting in being successful. You could have an applicant with stellar stats, experience, and phenomenal recommendations be completely rejected and an applicant who on paper looks to be less competitive be admitted simply because the department does not engage in the field of research they wished to pursue, or the PI who typically does do research in that field is on sabbatical, or their lab is full, or they currently don't have funding etc. There are just too many variables outside of the control of applicants to be able to reliably predict who will or will not be successful in being admitted based on typical stats like GPA/GRE/PGRE and program ranking. It's also hard to quantify the quality of an applicant's research experience, SOP, or the strength of their recommendation letters.

The best you can do is maximize your chances for admission by carefully targeting programs to apply to where you are a strong research fit with researchers who you know have funding and will be accepting students in the upcoming cycle, and the best way to determine that, is to contact potential PIs in advance and ask for their input.

You should also be aware that Astronomy programs tend to be relatively small so take fewer applicants and admission has become highly competitive because the field is currently experiencing a boom in interest.

Good Luck
 
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