Proof for Alternating Group Order |An| = ½(n!)

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The discussion centers around providing a proof for the order of alternating groups, specifically that |An| = ½(n!). Participants explore the relationship between even and odd permutations within the symmetric group Sn, discussing various approaches to establish this result.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the proof follows from the definition of the alternating group as a subgroup of index 2 in Sn.
  • One participant proposes a method to show that the number of odd permutations is equal to the number of even permutations in Sn, leading to the conclusion that |An| = n!/2.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the multiplication of odd permutations results in even permutations, which supports the argument about their cardinality.
  • There is mention of the need to establish the uniqueness of certain elements in the proof, with a suggestion that a proof by contradiction could be employed.
  • One participant notes that the proof provided is clear and expresses confidence in their understanding of the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to proving the order of the alternating group, but there are nuances in the details of the proof and the methods discussed. No consensus is reached on a singular proof method, as multiple perspectives and approaches are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the proof relies on the properties of group elements and their interactions, but the discussion does not resolve all aspects of the proof's completeness or rigor.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of group theory, particularly those interested in the properties of symmetric and alternating groups.

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Can anyone provide a proof for the order of alternating groups |An| = ½(n!)?
 
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It is almost immediate from the definition that it is a group of index 2 inside S_n.
 
Gear300 said:
Changed to a different question:
Can anyone provide a proof for the order of alternating groups |An| = ½(n!)?

The way i like to show this goes something along these lines:

THe whole idea is to show that there are as many odd permutations as there are even permutation in Sn. So, let


[tex]S_n= ( \alpha_i,\beta_j)[/tex] which represents the set of even and odd permutations.

where [tex]\alpha_i, i=1,2,3,...,r[/tex] and [tex]\beta_j,j=1,2,3,...,k[/tex] are even and odd permutations respectively.

Now, let's consider the following:


[tex]\beta_1\beta_j, j=1,2,3,...,k[/tex] (there is some extra work here to show that all these elements are indeed unique, but it is not difficult to establish it. a proof by contradiction would work)

So, we know that the multiplication of odd permutations is an even permutation, so we know that in our set Sn, we have the following relation:

[tex]|k|\leq|r|------(1)[/tex]

Now, consider the following:


[tex]\beta_1\alpha_i,i=1,2,...,r[/tex]

so all these permutations now are odd. From this we get the following relation:

[tex]|r|\leq |k|-----(2)[/tex]


From (1) &(2) we get the following:


[tex]|k|\leq |r| \leq |k|=>|k|=|r|[/tex]

Which means that the number of even and odd permutations in Sn is equal.

Now, since |Sn|=n! => |An|=n!/2
 
sutupidmath said:
[tex]\beta_1\beta_j, j=1,2,3,...,k[/tex] (there is some extra work here to show that all these elements are indeed unique, but it is not difficult to establish it. a proof by contradiction would work)

There is no work in showing this: that multiplication by a group element is a bijection is almost the definition of a group.

Apart from that, your proof is 'the correct one': there exists an injection from the set of odd elements to even elements, and vice versa, hence they have the same cardinality (this has no dependence on their being a finite number of them, which is always nice).
 
sutupidmath said:
The way i like to show this goes something along these lines:

THe whole idea is to show that there are as many odd permutations as there are even permutation in Sn. So, let[tex]S_n= ( \alpha_i,\beta_j)[/tex] which represents the set of even and odd permutations.

where [tex]\alpha_i, i=1,2,3,...,r[/tex] and [tex]\beta_j,j=1,2,3,...,k[/tex] are even and odd permutations respectively.

Now, let's consider the following:[tex]\beta_1\beta_j, j=1,2,3,...,k[/tex] (there is some extra work here to show that all these elements are indeed unique, but it is not difficult to establish it. a proof by contradiction would work) ---------
matt grime said:
...multiplication by a group element is a bijection is almost the definition of a group.
So, we know that the multiplication of odd permutations is an even permutation, so we know that in our set Sn, we have the following relation:

[tex]|k|\leq|r|------(1)[/tex]

Now, consider the following:[tex]\beta_1\alpha_i,i=1,2,...,r[/tex]

so all these permutations now are odd. From this we get the following relation:

[tex]|r|\leq |k|-----(2)[/tex]From (1) &(2) we get the following:[tex]|k|\leq |r| \leq |k|=>|k|=|r|[/tex]

Which means that the number of even and odd permutations in Sn is equal. ---------
matt grime said:
...there exists an injection from the set of odd elements to even elements, and vice versa, hence they have the same cardinality...
Now, since |Sn|=n! => |An|=n!/2

I see. The proof was written in good clarity, so I'm thinking I got a good hold from it. Thanks.
 

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