Proof of Disjoint Sets: A Simple Induction Argument Using Probability Functions

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The discussion revolves around a proof involving probability functions and pairwise disjoint sets. The original poster questions the correctness of a statement regarding the probability of the union of disjoint sets and suggests that it may contain errors. The context involves understanding the properties of probability functions applied to finite collections of sets.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the validity of the original problem statement and the accompanying hint, questioning whether the correct formulation should involve the probabilities of the individual sets. They discuss the induction method for proving the theorem and express confusion about transitioning from the case of two sets to a general case involving k sets.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the proof structure, with participants confirming mistakes in the original problem statement. Some guidance has been provided regarding the induction process, and participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of how to apply the induction hypothesis effectively.

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Participants note the potential for confusion in the notation and the importance of correctly applying the properties of probability to disjoint sets. There is a recognition of the need for careful grouping of sets in the proof process.

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Hi. I need some help with a proof.

The question says:

Let P be a probability function. Prove that for any finite collection of sets, the sequence A1,A2,...,An of pairwise disjoint sets, P(Union from i=1 to n of Ai)=Ʃ from i=1 to n of Ai

I think there must a mistake in question. My guess is it is supposed to say P(Union from i=1 to n of Ai)=Ʃ from i=1 to n of P(Ai)?

There is a hint with the question:
If A1,A2,...,An are pairwise disjoints on the sample space Ω, then P(Union from i=1 to ∞ Ai) = Ʃ from i=1 to ∞ Ai

If A and B are disjoints defined on Ω then P(A U B) = P(A)+ P(B)

Again, I think there must be a mistake in the hint...P(Union from i=1 to ∞ Ai) = Ʃ from i=1 to ∞ P(Ai)?

My question is are there mistakes and can someone get me started in the right direction (Assuming the question has a mistake, then the book says the proof is a straight forward induction argument with P(A U B) = P(A) + P(B), if A and B are mutually exclusive events over S being the starting point)
 
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mrkb80 said:
Hi. I need some help with a proof.

The question says:

Let P be a probability function. Prove that for any finite collection of sets, the sequence A1,A2,...,An of pairwise disjoint sets, P(Union from i=1 to n of Ai)=Ʃ from i=1 to n of Ai

I think there must a mistake in question. My guess is it is supposed to say P(Union from i=1 to n of Ai)=Ʃ from i=1 to n of P(Ai)?

Yes, that is for sure.

There is a hint with the question:
If A1,A2,...,An are pairwise disjoints on the sample space Ω, then P(Union from i=1 to ∞ Ai) = Ʃ from i=1 to ∞ Ai

If A and B are disjoints defined on Ω then P(A U B) = P(A)+ P(B)

Again, I think there must be a mistake in the hint...P(Union from i=1 to ∞ Ai) = Ʃ from i=1 to ∞ P(Ai)?

Yes again.

My question is are there mistakes and can someone get me started in the right direction (Assuming the question has a mistake, then the book says the proof is a straight forward induction argument with P(A U B) = P(A) + P(B), if A and B are mutually exclusive events over S being the starting point)

Theorem: If ##\{A_i\}## are n disjoint sets then $$
P(\cup_{i=1}^n A_i) =\sum_{i=1}^n P(A_i)$$If ##n=2## you have your given starting case. Now suppose it is true for ##n=k##, so you know $$
P(\cup_{i=1}^k A_i) =\sum_{i=1}^k P(A_i)$$Now you have to show it works for ##k+1## using that it works for ##k## sets. Think about grouping things.
 
Glad to confirm those are mistakes.

I wish I could follow you past n=2.

n=2 makes sense to me if you have P(A1 U A2)= P(A1) + P(A2)...that's from the definition in the hint

n=k is where you lose me...how do you jump to P(Union from i=1 to k of Ai)=P(Ʃ from i=1 to k of Ai) ?

Grouping? Not sure I follow...sorry I get a little confused in proofs, but thanks for your help so far.
 
mrkb80 said:
Glad to confirm those are mistakes.

I wish I could follow you past n=2.

n=2 makes sense to me if you have P(A1 U A2)= P(A1) + P(A2)...that's from the definition in the hint

n=k is where you lose me...how do you jump to P(Union from i=1 to k of Ai)=P(Ʃ from i=1 to k of Ai) ?

Grouping? Not sure I follow...sorry I get a little confused in proofs, but thanks for your help so far.

Well, for example, if you had 5 objects, you could group into groups of 2 and 3 objects. Find a way to group ##k+1## into smaller groups that you can work with.
 
mrkb80 said:
Glad to confirm those are mistakes.

I wish I could follow you past n=2.

n=2 makes sense to me if you have P(A1 U A2)= P(A1) + P(A2)...that's from the definition in the hint

n=k is where you lose me...how do you jump to P(Union from i=1 to k of Ai)=P(Ʃ from i=1 to k of Ai) ?
You get there by assuming that it is true. This is standard practice for induction proofs.

The next step is showing (proving) that $$ P(\cup_{i = 1}^{k+1}A_i) = \sum_{i = 1}^{k+1}A_i$$
To do this, use the statement that you are assuming to be true.
mrkb80 said:
Grouping? Not sure I follow...sorry I get a little confused in proofs, but thanks for your help so far.
 
Here's another hint. If you had three sets and only have the theorem for two you could write ##A_1\cup A_2 \cup A_3 = (A_1\cup A_2)\cup A_3## and use the theorem for two sets twice.
 
I think I am starting to follow, it's almost like recursive calls to the 2 set case...not sure how I write that in correct notation.

P(U for i=1 to k of Ai) + P(Ak+1)=P(Ʃ for i=1 to k of Ai) + P(Ak+1)

Am I going in the right direction?
 
mrkb80 said:
I think I am starting to follow, it's almost like recursive calls to the 2 set case...not sure how I write that in correct notation.

P(U for i=1 to k ofAi) + P(Ak+1)=P(Ʃ for i=1 to k of P(Ai)) + P(Ak+1)

Am I going in the right direction?

You need to start with$$
P(\cup_{i=1}^{k+1}A_i)=$$Now group the ##A_i## appropriately with unions and then use the induction hypothesis. And notice you are making the same error as in the original problem of leaving off the P, noted in red.
 
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P(∪ k+1 i=1 A i )= P(Union for i=1 to k of Ai U A k+1) =
Ʃ(for i=1 to k of P(Ai)) + P(Ak+1)

due to the fact that P(A U B) = P(A) + P(B)... in the case above I'm just letting A=all the sets from 1 to k and B=k+1...so the probability of the union these two "sets" together let's you add their individual probability?
 
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mrkb80 said:
P(∪ k+1 i=1 A i )= P(Union for i=1 to k of Ai) U A k+1) = P(Union for i=1 to k of Ai)+ P(Ak+1)=
Ʃ(for i=1 to k of P(Ai)) + P(Ak+1)

due to the fact that P(A U B) = P(A) + P(B)... in the case above I'm just letting A=all the sets from 1 to k and B=k+1...so the probability of the union these two "sets" together let's you add their individual probability?

You have it, but I have suggested an intervening extra step to make it clearer. That way you use the theorem for 2 sets and for k sets at different steps instead of all at once.
 
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You, sir, are a patient teacher to whom I owe many thanks.
 

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