Proof of Inequality: $x^2 + xy^2 + xyz^2 \geq 4xyz - 4$

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(x^2 + xy^2 + xyz^2 \geq 4xyz - 4\) for positive real numbers \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\). Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate the validity of this inequality, considering both specific values and general cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rewriting the inequality in a different form to analyze it, leading to a minimum value assessment of \(z(z-4)\) and subsequently \(y(y-4)\).
  • Another participant agrees with the initial proof approach and offers an alternative solution using similar reasoning.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the inequality holds as \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) approach zero, prompting a discussion on the necessity of this condition.
  • Some participants argue that it is sufficient to show the inequality holds for fixed positive values of \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\), while others clarify that the proofs assume \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) are arbitrary positive values.
  • A participant proposes a specific case where \(z=1\) and claims that the inequality holds for an infinite number of tuples \((x,y)\) within a certain range.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the use of the term "fixed" in the context of the variables, with an emphasis on the generality of the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of proving the inequality for values approaching zero, with some asserting it is not required while others question its validity in that scenario. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the inequality's behavior at the boundaries of the variable ranges.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the inequality as variables approach zero, and the dependence on specific values or ranges for \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) is not fully explored.

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Let $x,y,z$ be positive real numbers. Show that $x^2 + xy^2 + xyz^2 \geq 4xyz - 4$.
 
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[sp]Write the inequality as $x\Bigl(x + y\bigl(y + z(z-4)\bigr)\Bigr) \geqslant -4 \quad(*)$.

The minimum value of $z(z-4)$ is $-4$ (when $z=2$). So the left side of (*) is at least $x\bigl(x+ y(y -4)\bigr) \quad (**)$. But the minimum value of $y(y-4)$ is $-4$ (when $y=2$). So (**) is at least $x(x-4)$, which in turn is at least $-4$ (when $x=2$). This shows that (*) holds, with equality when $x=y=z=2$.[/sp]
 
Excellent work. Here is another solution that uses the same idea.

Note that $w^2 \geq 4w - 4$ for all positive real $w$. So,
$x^2 + xy^2 + xyz^2 \geq (4x-4)+x(4y-4)+xy(4z-4)=4xyz-4$.
 
Don't we need to show that the inequality holds as x,y,z approach zero? Has that been shown in the above?
 
It is adequate to show the inequality holds for fixed and given $x,y,z \in \mathbb{R}^+$.
 
magneto said:
It is adequate to show the inequality holds for fixed and given $x,y,z \in \mathbb{R}^+$.
We only needed to find a single set of values for x,y,z where the inequality holds!?

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Let z=1 then I can show that the inequality holds for an infinite number of unique tuples (x,y) where
0<x,y <= 1. The harder part is showing that it holds for all real x,y where 0<x,y,<=1.
 
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My apology for using the word "fixed" -- I do not mean we pin any variables to specific values.. The proofs only assume $x,y,z > 0$, and proceed to show the inequality holds for any arbitrary $x,y,z >0$ given.
 
Thank you, my error, I thought that I had been able to find places where the inequality would not hold but I was wrong.
 

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