Proof of V-E+F=2-2p (Euler's 2nd formula).

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The discussion revolves around finding a proof for Euler's second formula, V - E + F = 2 - 2p, where p represents the genus of a surface. Participants are exploring the implications of this formula within the context of general topology, particularly focusing on the proof process as described in a specific textbook.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the proof from the book "Introduction to Modern Mathematics" by S.M. Maskey, particularly regarding the concept of considering spheres with p handles.
  • Another participant mentions that V - E + F is the Euler characteristic of the surface, equating it to 2 - 2p.
  • A suggestion is made to read related Wikipedia articles on Euler Characteristic and Handles to gain a better understanding of the terminology and concepts involved.
  • One participant proposes starting with a sphere (where p = 0) and triangulating it as a tetrahedron to demonstrate that V - E + F = 2 holds true in this case.
  • Another participant suggests proving the formula by induction, either by adding or removing one handle at a time, explaining that cutting a handle and capping the boundary components with disks reduces the genus and increases the Euler characteristic.
  • It is noted that the formula is only applicable to closed surfaces, with a clarification that for surfaces with genus g, b boundary components, and r punctures, the Euler characteristic is adjusted to 2 - 2g - b - r.

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Participants are generally exploring the proof without reaching a consensus on the best approach. Multiple competing views and methods for proving the formula are presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the clarity of the proof process in the referenced textbook, and participants express varying levels of understanding of the underlying concepts, which may affect their ability to engage with the proof effectively.

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Hi. This post is about general topology and is Euler's second formula . Can you people help me by finding a proof for V-E+F=2-2p. :smile:
Where,
p=genus of the surface.
F=number of regions the surface is partitioned into.
V=number of vertices.
E=number of arcs.

I'm currently reading this proof from a book 'Introduction to Modern Mathematics' by S.M Maskey(you won't be finding this book in the internet, we don't have a system of buying books from the internet in our country and most of the people are too lazy to make it into an ebook.And these books are just dumbed down(to simle english) versions of other good books ).Thus, this book has vague descriptions regarding the proving process. :mad:

The proof here talks about considering spheres with p handles and removing them again.and i am not understanding the process written herein this book.


Any links of this proof will be appreciated, or we could discuss . :approve:
 
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labinojha said:
Hi. This post is about general topology and is Euler's second formula . Can you people help me by finding a proof for V-E+F=2-2p.

V-E+F is the Euler characteristic of the surface. So is 2 - 2p
 
Take a look at the wikipedia article for Euler Characteristic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_characteristic

Take a look at the wikipedia article on Handle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handle_(mathematics)

After reading through these pages click on the links for which you don't know what the term is, try not to digress too far from what it is you are actually trying to learn and then once you have a bit better of an understanding try re-reading your textbook and it might make more sense. In some situations I thought that a textbook had a bad explanation or was unclear, but it was simply a lack of the underlying meaning/geometric representation of some of the terminology that was holding me back from seeing the full picture.
 
labinojha said:
Hi. This post is about general topology and is Euler's second formula . Can you people help me by finding a proof for V-E+F=2-2p. :smile:
Where,
p=genus of the surface.
F=number of regions the surface is partitioned into.
V=number of vertices.
E=number of arcs.

I'm currently reading this proof from a book 'Introduction to Modern Mathematics' by S.M Maskey(you won't be finding this book in the internet, we don't have a system of buying books from the internet in our country and most of the people are too lazy to make it into an ebook.And these books are just dumbed down(to simle english) versions of other good books ).Thus, this book has vague descriptions regarding the proving process. :mad:

The proof here talks about considering spheres with p handles and removing them again.and i am not understanding the process written herein this book.


Any links of this proof will be appreciated, or we could discuss . :approve:

To get you started.

A sphere has no handles so p = 0.

Triangulate the sphere as a tetrahedron. V - E + F = 2.

So the theorem is true in this case.

Try proving the rest by induction adding one handle at a time.
 
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Or, by removing one handle at a time. If you have a handle, you can cut it and cap the two boundary components you get with disks. (That is, you replace a cylinder S1 × [0,1] with two disks D2 × {0,1}.) This will reduce the genus by 1, and increase the Euler characteristic by 2. Repeat until you get no handles; you are left with a 2-sphere, which has genus 0 and Euler characteristic 2.

Note that this formula is only true for closed surfaces. If your surface has genus g, b boundary components and r punctures, then the Euler characteristic is 2 - 2g - b - r.
 

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