Proof to find fraction inbetween to fraction

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Taylor_1989
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Fraction Proof
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the algebraic method of finding a fraction that lies between two given fractions. Participants explore different approaches to this problem, including the concept of the mediant and the implications of using averages versus algebraic manipulation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their method of converting fractions to percentages to find an average, resulting in the fraction 9/10.
  • Another participant suggests a different approach by converting the fractions to a common denominator, showing that 27/30 is between 26/30 and 28/30, which also simplifies to 9/10.
  • There is confusion about the algebraic proof steps, particularly why certain terms are added to both sides of inequalities, with one participant asserting that it "works" but not providing a clear rationale.
  • Participants discuss the algebraic manipulation leading to the expression for the mediant, noting that it does not always represent the average of the two fractions.
  • A trivia point is raised about the mediant and its properties, including the potential for it to not preserve order, referencing Simpson's paradox.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and validity of the algebraic proof steps. While some agree on the correctness of the mediant, there is no consensus on the best method for finding a fraction between two others or on the implications of the mediant's properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the algebraic steps and the conditions under which the mediant may not represent the average of the two fractions. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Taylor_1989
Messages
400
Reaction score
14
I keep getting slightly confused with the algebraic method of finding a fraction between, two other fraction. Here is an example question, I have been doing

Find the fraction between 13/15 and 14/15? I personally convert both to percentages and find the average between the two, the convert back to a fraction. So in this case I did:

13/15 = 0.8666666 = 87%
14/15 = 0.933333 = 93%
87+93 = 180/2= 90
90/100 = 9/10: which I believe is correct

The method I do not understand is the proof behind this method: 13/15+14/15 = 27/30 / 3 top and bottom you get 9/10. But its the proof that confuse me. I will show where I get confused:

I understand this part: a/b < c/d cross multiply ad < bc

This is the part I don't understand: Add ab to both sides ab+ad < ab+bc

why add ab to both sides, where dose this come from?

then factor : a(b+d)<b(a+c)⇒ a/b < a+c/a+b

Then you add cd to both sides, once again why? then you factor out again.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Think of it this way:

You start with 13/15 and 14/15

13/15 is equal to 26/30
and
14/15 is equal to 28/30

This is done by a simple multiplication of two on both the numerator and the denominator.

Looking at your new fractions, it is obvious that 27/30 is in between the two of them, and 27/30 simplifies to 9/10
 
Taylor_1989 said:
This is the part I don't understand: Add ab to both sides ab+ad < ab+bc

why add ab to both sides, where dose this come from?
Because it works. Notice in the next line the factoring worked out such that we can get a/b on its own on the left side.

then factor : a(b+d)<b(a+c)⇒ a/b < a+c/a+b
Just a typo but it should be a/b < (a+c)/(b+d)

Then you add cd to both sides, once again why? then you factor out again.
I guess when you say you add cd to both sides you're talking about

ad&lt;bc

cd+ad&lt;cd+bc

d(a+c)&lt;c(b+d)

\frac{a+c}{b+d}&lt;\frac{c}{d}

Which again work exactly the way we want it to. We've now just shown that \frac{a}{b}&lt;\frac{a+c}{b+d}&lt;\frac{c}{d}

By using algebraic manipulations that were cleverly used to give us the answer we were looking for.
But keep in mind that this value x=\frac{a+c}{b+d} is not always exactly in the middle of a/b and c/d. When b and d are different, it doesn't turn out to be the average of the two fractions.

If you wanted the average of a/b and c/d as your in-between fraction, then you'd have

x=\frac{\frac{a}{b}+\frac{c}{d}}{2}
=\frac{ad+bc}{2bd}

Which is a lot more calculations than the value of x obtained from the proof above.
 
Trivia: the fraction ##\frac{a+c}{b+d}## is called the mediant of ##\frac{a}{b}## and ##\frac{c}{d}##.

Further the mediant does not preserve order. Suppose that ##\frac{a}{b} < \frac{A}{B}## and ##\frac{c}{d} < \frac{C}{D}##, but it is possible to have ##\frac{a+c}{b+d} > \frac{A+C}{B+D}##. This is known as Simpson's paradox.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K