Prove ##(1/(a_1+1) ) + (1/(a_2+1) ) ....##

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The problem involves proving that the sum of the series \( \frac{1}{a_1+1} + \frac{1}{a_2+1} + \ldots + \frac{1}{a_n+1} < \frac{1}{2} \) for a sequence defined by \( a_1 = 3 \) and \( a_{n+1} = 0.5(a_n^2 + 1) \), where \( n \) is a natural number. The context is rooted in sequences and series within mathematical analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various sequences to establish bounds for \( a_n \), including geometric sequences. Some suggest proving properties of alternative sequences \( b_n \) to compare with \( a_n \). Others express uncertainty about the summation process and the nature of the sequences involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with several participants offering hints and alternative approaches. There is a recognition of the complexity of bounding the series and the need for careful analysis. Some participants have provided specific sequences and conjectures, while others are still grappling with the implications of these suggestions.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of computational results that suggest the sum approaches but does not exceed \( \frac{1}{2} \). Participants note the rapid growth of the sequence \( a_n \) and the precision required in calculations to verify the conjecture.

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Homework Statement


a1=3 an+1=0.5(an2+1)
"n" is natural number

prove that (1/(a1+1) ) + (1/(a2+1) ) ... + (1/(an+1) ) <1/2
is true for every n

The Attempt at a Solution


could not figure out anything
 
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I would look for a simpler sequence, geometric say, which serves as a lower bound for the an for all n > some threshold N. Then it would be a matter of manually summing the 1/(an+1) up to N and adding the sum corresponding to the infinite bounding sequence after N.
 
Not sure, maybe one trick would be to work with the sequence ##b_{n+1}=0.5b_n, b_1=3## or the sequence ##b_{n+1}=0.5b_n^2##. If you can prove that the corresponding sum for ##b_n## is <1/2 then the corresponding sum for ##a_n## also satisfies <1/2 because it is ##b_n+1<a_n+1 \rightarrow \frac{1}{a_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n+1}##
 
Ok my initial suggestion about ##b_n## don't work, try ##b_{n+1}=3b_n, b_1=3##. You can prove that ##b_n<a_n , n\geq 4##, and also you prove easily that ##\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{b_n}=\frac{1}{2}## and then using inequality ##\frac{1}{a_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n}## for n>=4.
 
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Delta² said:
Ok my initial suggestion about ##b_n## don't work, try ##b_{n+1}=3b_n, b_1=3##. You can prove that ##b_n<a_n , n\geq 4##, and also you prove easily that ##\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{b_n}=\frac{1}{2}## and then using inequality ##\frac{1}{a_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n}## for n>=4.
I feel my hint in post #2 was enough to be going on with. Please let the student have time to work with one hint before laying it out further.
 
haruspex said:
I would look for a simpler sequence, geometric say, which serves as a lower bound for the an for all n > some threshold N. Then it would be a matter of manually summing the 1/(an+1) up to N and adding the sum corresponding to the infinite bounding sequence after N.
i could not find any rule for adding every number from N that i took as a threshold it is not geometric progression to add up every number and find limit of function
 
Delta² said:
Ok my initial suggestion about ##b_n## don't work, try ##b_{n+1}=3b_n, b_1=3##. You can prove that ##b_n<a_n , n\geq 4##, and also you prove easily that ##\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{b_n}=\frac{1}{2}## and then using inequality ##\frac{1}{a_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n+1}<\frac{1}{b_n}## for n>=4.
thanks i guess it is right but may it be proof for sum of all 1/3^n this
-1 + 1 + 1/3 + 1/3^2 + 1/3^n =
-1 +(3^n+1 -1)/ 3-1) = 1-(1/3)^n/2
 
haruspex said:
I feel my hint in post #2 was enough to be going on with. Please let the student have time to work with one hint before laying it out further.
and what about this
2an+1 - 2 = an2- 1
1/an+1= 1/an-1 + 1 / an+1
 
giokrutoi said:
it is not geometric progression
I did not say it is. I said try to find some other sequence bn, perhaps a geometric progression, and some number N, such that:
  • For n>N, bn>=an
  • Σ1N1/(an+1) + ΣN+11/(bn+1) < 1/2
 
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haruspex said:
I did not say it is. I said try to find some other sequence bn, perhaps a geometric progression, and some number N, such that:
  • For n>N, bn>=an
  • Σ1N1/(an+1) + ΣN+11/(bn+1) < 1/2
ok got it so the way that delta^2 offered
 
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giokrutoi said:
ok got it so the way that delta^2 offered
Yes. But I have not checked whether Delta^2's specific sequence and starting point work, or if they do, whether they're the simplest choices.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes. But I have not checked whether Delta^2's specific sequence and starting point work, or if they do, whether they're the simplest choices.
the second post of him is right and easy also
 
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giokrutoi said:
ok got it so the way that delta^2 offered

Bounding will need to be done VERY carefully, because the "1/2" limit is pretty strict.

If we use the exact recursion ##a_1 = 3, a_{n+1} = \frac{1}{2} (a_n^2 + 1), n = 1,2, \ldots## and compute exact values up to about ##n = 12##, we see that the sequnece ##a_n## grows rapidly. Using Maple and exact arithmetic whenever it is practical, we get
$$\begin{array}{l}
a_{12} =
150069266781857262292843669672858603\\
4769448280147464726353368783536748476\\
47440046640744854967963947245498612021\\
477388413904375180451656270390552278692\\
1452055548775397792172060973375592551323900\\
39967096883676820619379899904933201414659759\\
5705864255753847966680994896463920097666188\\
3908504636929575700712046785222999071294587426\\
7583554677334026682716307498157604046253018642062\\
0448794191288742297786522568403222907220885\\
\doteq .1500692668 \times 10^{418}
\end{array} $$
More to the point are the values of
$$S_n = \sum_{j=1}^n \frac{1}{a_j+1} $$
for ##n = 1,2, \ldots##.

To 833 digit accuracy we find ##S_{12} = 0.5## (that is, 0.5 followed by 832 zeros), but to 834 digits of precision we find that ##S_{12}## is a tiny bit less than 0.5; it prints as 0.499..., which is 0.4 followed by 833 '9's . Of course, values of ##S_n## for ##n > 12## will be a tiny bit larger, and so the bound of 1/2---if true--- will be very, very close.

Note added in edit: If
$$ S_n = \frac{M_n}{N_n} $$
for integers ##M_n, N_n## we find that ##N_n = 2 M_n+2##, at least for ##n## from 1 to 12. Thus,
$$ S_n = \frac{1}{2} \frac{M_n}{M_n+1} $$
for ##n = 1, 2, \ldots, 12##.

The ##M_n## grow rapidly with ##n##; for example, ##M_{12}## is an 834-digit integer: ##M_{12} \doteq 5.630196208 \times 10^{833}##. Thus
$$ S_{12} \doteq \frac{1}{2} \left( 1 - 1.776137035 \times 10^{-834} \right) . $$
 
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