Prove 19 < S < 20: 2008/1000-2008/1009

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(19 < S < 20\) for the sum \(S = \frac{2008}{1000} + \frac{2008}{1001} + \frac{2008}{1002} + \ldots + \frac{2008}{1009}\). Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning without the use of calculators or computers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using inequalities to bound \(S\) and derives expressions to show \(19 < S\) and \(S < 20\).
  • Another participant suggests that proving \(S < 20\) is more complex and invites others to attempt it, indicating that they found the upper bound challenging.
  • A different approach is presented where \(S\) is expressed in terms of \(x = 1000\) and manipulated to show that \(S < 20\) through a series of inequalities.
  • Some participants reiterate the need for calculations and express varying levels of confidence in their approaches to proving the bounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove both bounds of the inequality, but there is no consensus on the methods or the ease of proving \(S < 20\). Multiple competing views and approaches remain present in the discussion.

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Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the bounds used in the inequalities. The discussion reflects different interpretations and methods without a definitive resolution.

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$ \text{S}=\dfrac {2008}{1000} + \dfrac {2008}{1001} + \dfrac {2008}{1002}+---------+\dfrac {2008}

{1009}$

$\text {prove} :\,\, 19 < \text {S} <20 $

note :no use of calculator or computer
 
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Re: prove : 19< S < 20

Albert said:
$ \text{S}=\dfrac {2008}{1000} + \dfrac {2008}{1001} + \dfrac {2008}{1002}+---------+\dfrac {2008}

{1009}$

$\text {prove} :\,\, 19 < \text {S} <20 $

note :no use of calculator or computer

Without a calculator... but it still takes some calculations.

Since $1 - x \le \frac 1 {1+x} \le 1 - x + x^2$,

and $S = \sum_k \frac {2008}{1000 + k} = \sum_k \frac {2008}{1000} \frac {1}{1 + (k/1000)}$,

it follows that

$$\sum_k \frac {2008}{1000} (1 - \frac k {1000}) \le S \le \sum_k \frac {2008}{1000} (1 - \frac k {1000} + (\frac k {1000})^2)$$

$$\frac {2008}{1000}(10 - \frac {\sum k} {1000}) \le S \le \frac {2008}{1000}(10 - \frac {\sum k} {1000} + \frac {\sum k^2} {10^6})$$

$$\frac {2008}{1000}(10 - \frac {10\cdot (0+9)/2} {1000}) \le S \le \frac {2008}{1000}(10 - \frac {10\cdot (0+9)/2} {1000} + \frac {\frac 1 6 10(10+1)(2\cdot 10 +1)} {10^6})$$

$$20.08 - \frac {45 \cdot 2008}{10^6} \le S \le 20.08 - \frac {45 \cdot 2008}{10^6} + \frac {2008 \cdot \frac 1 6 \cdot 10 \cdot 11 \cdot 19}{10^9}$$

$$19 \le 19.98 \le S \le 19.99 + 0.0006024 \le 19.9906024 \le 20 \qquad \blacksquare$$
 
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Re: prove : 19< S < 20

$ 19=\dfrac {10 \times 1919}{1010} < \dfrac {10 \times 2008}{1009}<S ----------(1) $

$ \therefore 19< S $

To prove S<20 is a little more tricky ,please try it ,I will upload later
 
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Re: prove : 19< S < 20

Albert said:
$ 19=\dfrac {10 \times 1919}{1010} < \dfrac {10 \times 2008}{1009}<S ----------(1) $

$ \therefore 19< S $

To prove S<20 is a little more tricky ,please try it ,i will upload later

Yeah, I got that one.
It was the 20 that I found trickier.
When I got that one, I took the lower bound along, since that was part of the upper bound anyway.
 
Re: prove : 19< S < 20

$\text {Let} \,\, x=1000$
$S=(2x+8)[\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{x+1}+\dfrac{1}{x+2}+------------+\dfrac{1}{x+9}]$
$=(2x+8)[(\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{x+9})+------------+(\dfrac{1}{x+4}+\dfrac{1}{x+5}) ] $
$=(2x+8)[(\dfrac{2x+9}{x^2+9x}+------------+\dfrac{2x+9}{x^2+9x+20}) ] $
$=(2x+8)(2x+9)[(\dfrac{1}{x^2+9x}+------------+\dfrac{1}{x^2+9x+20}) ] $
$<(\dfrac{4x^2+34x+72}{x^2+9x})\times 5<(\dfrac{4x^2+36x}{x^2+9x})\times 5=4\times 5=20 $
$\therefore S<20$
 

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