Prove by induction that nCk is always a natural number

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The problem involves proving by induction that the binomial coefficient \(\binom{n}{k}\) is always a natural number. The discussion centers around the properties of binomial coefficients and their definitions.

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  • Participants discuss the base case of the induction, with some suggesting that the proof should consider specific cases such as \(n=0\) and \(k=0\). There is also mention of the need to prove that certain binomial coefficients are integers as part of the induction process.

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There are various interpretations of how to approach the proof, with some participants providing guidance on the order of the proof and the necessity of addressing specific cases. The discussion reflects a mix of strategies and considerations without reaching a consensus on a single method.

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Participants note that the proof must account for cases where \(n < k\) and the implications of definitions regarding binomial coefficients, particularly at the boundaries of \(n\) and \(k\).

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Homework Statement



Prove by induction that [tex]\binom{n}{k}[/tex] is always a natural number.


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The problem requires that we use the fact that
[tex]\binom{n+1}{k}=\binom{n}{k-1}+\binom{n}{k}\tag{1}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, the first part of this question requires a proof of (1), which was easy enough just using
[tex]\binom{n}{k}=\frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}[/tex]

What I'm not sure of is how to perform the induction. I took the base case of n=1.
[tex]\binom{1}{0}=1[/tex]
[tex]\binom{1}{1}=1[/tex]

and from (1) we obtain that, with n=1, k=1,
[tex]\binom{n+1}{k}=\binom{2}{1}=1+1=2[/tex]

Can I now say that [tex]\binom{n+1}{k}[/tex] is always the sum of two natural numbers, and is therefore natural?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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Hi nietzsche! :smile:

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill :redface:

to prove (7 5) is an integer, all you need is that (6 5) and (6 4) are integers …

so just be systematic in what order you do the proof

(and remember it doesn't work for k = 0, so you have to prove it for all (n 0) separately, not just for (1 0) :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi nietzsche! :smile:

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill :redface:

to prove (7 5) is an integer, all you need is that (6 5) and (6 4) are integers …

so just be systematic in what order you do the proof

(and remember it doesn't work for k = 0, so you have to prove it for all (n 0) separately, not just for (1 0) :wink:)

I've no clue as to how to prove that (6 5) and (6 4) are integers. Do I still have to consider a base case of n=1? This question is driving me mad.
 
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=61891

I found this, which is the same question. According to this,

[tex] \text{Let }n=0.<br /> \text{ If }k=0,<br /> \binom{0}{0} = 1<br /> \text{ (by definition)}<br /> \text{ and if }k \not= 0,<br /> \binom{0}{k} = 0<br /> \text{ (by definition).}[/tex]
[tex] \text{Since}<br /> \binom{n+1}{k} = \binom{n}{k-1}+\binom{n}{k},<br /> \text{ it follows from induction that for all }<br /> n, \binom{n}{k}<br /> \text{is an integer.}[/tex]

Not sure if what I'm saying is valid. What do yall think?
 
Yes, if you're happy with (n k) = 0 for n < k, then that proof is correct.

But you need to specify the ordering …

Start: "It works for n = 0 and for any k, and then by induction on n … " :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Yes, if you're happy with (n k) = 0 for n < k, then that proof is correct.

But you need to specify the ordering …

Start: "It works for n = 0 and for any k, and then by induction on n … " :smile:

Thank you very much.
 

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