Prove Trichotomy: Homework Solutions & Hints

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The discussion revolves around proving the trichotomy property for natural numbers, which states that for any two natural numbers n and m, one of the following must hold: n = m, n > m, or n < m. Participants emphasize the importance of defining the relation "<" correctly, noting that trichotomy is often integrated into its definition. A standard approach includes properties of order relations, such as preservation under addition and multiplication. The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding of trichotomy, realizing that the logical operator should be exclusive rather than inclusive, as only one of the three conditions can be true at a time. This clarification is crucial for advancing their proof and understanding of natural number properties.
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Homework Statement


I was trying to prove trichotomy for natural numbers.

Homework Equations


n &gt; m \Leftrightarrow \exists k \neq 0 (n = m + k)
n &lt; m \Leftrightarrow \exists k \neq 0 (m = n + k)

Trichotomy means in a set
\forall n \forall m ( n = m \vee n&gt; m \vee n&lt;m)

The Attempt at a Solution


I need an hint, a push in the right direction.

thank you :)
 
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Using what basis? There are many different ways of defining the natural numbers and different ways of defining "<". Typically, "Trichotomy" is taken as part of the definitionof "<" for the natural numbers. How are you defining "<"?

A standard method is "<" is a binary relation on the natural numbers satisfying
1) If m< n and p is any natural number then m+p< n+p.
2) If m< n and 0< p, then mp< np.
3) If m and n are natural numbers then one and only one must be true:
a) m= n.
b) m< n.
c) n< m.

An equivalent definition is
"There exist a subset of the natural numbers, P, satifying
1) If m and n are both in P then mn is in P.
2) If m and n are both in P then m+ n is in P.
3) if m is a natural number then one and only one must be true:
a) m= 0.
b) m is in P.
c) -m is in P.

It is (3), of course, that is equivalent to "trichotomy". If you have that definition of "order", you define "<" by "a< b if and only if b- a is in P.
 
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I define < and > like I've written in the Relevant Equations section.
I define the natural numbers in a non rigorous way, just as an intuitive concept.
Addition is a binary relation with those property.

a+b \in N
a+b = b+a
(a+b)+c = a+(b+c)
There is one only element, and it's 0, for which a+0 = a

I'm trying to prove some facts starting from those definitions. Trichotomy would be nice to prove, since i can use it to prove other things.
 
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I just realized that my definition of trichotomy is wrong, or incorrect. Usually \vee is the inclusive or, but in this case should be the exclusive or since all 3 propositions can't be true, and not even two of them can.
 
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