Proving |a-b| ≤ $\sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$ Using Induction

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality |a-b| ≤ √(a² + b²) for any positive real numbers a and b. Participants are exploring various methods of proof, including induction and the use of contrapositive reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants suggest starting with the square of the expression |a-b| and considering its implications. Others propose examining the inequality by breaking it down into components, questioning whether induction is appropriate for this proof.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives and methods. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, while others are questioning the relevance of certain steps and assumptions. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

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Some participants mention the need to justify steps taken in the proof, particularly regarding the properties of absolute values and the behavior of square roots. There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of using strict versus non-strict inequalities.

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Homework Statement


Prove for any ##a,b \in \mathbb{R^+} : |a-b| \leq \sqrt{a^2 +b^2} ##

The Attempt at a Solution



How should I start? Can I use induction?
Should I use contrapositive?
 
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knowLittle said:

Homework Statement


Prove for any ##a,b \in \mathbb{R^+} : |a-b| \leq \sqrt{a^2 +b^2} ##

The Attempt at a Solution



How should I start? Can I use induction?
Should I use contrapositive?

You're overthinking it. Consider ##(|a-b|)^2## first.
 
uh, are you serious?

## (|a-b|)^2 = (a^2 - 2ab + b^2 ) \leq (\sqrt{a^2 +b^2})^2 = a^2 +b^2##

Then the LHS will always be lesser for any ## \mathbb{R^+}##
 
knowLittle said:
uh, are you serious?

## (|a-b|)^2 = (a^2 - 2ab + b^2 ) \leq (\sqrt{a^2 +b^2})^2 = a^2 +b^2##

Then the LHS will always be lesser for any ## \mathbb{R^+}##

Pretty much, except that going from this step to this: ##(a^2 - 2ab + b^2 ) \leq (\sqrt{a^2 +b^2})^2 ## is unnecessary. You can just go from this to this: ##(a^2 - 2ab + b^2 ) \leq a^2 +b^2## by observing that ##2ab > 0##.

As a final step, you still have to take the square root of both sides. You have to justify that the inequality doesn't change direction by observing the monotonic increasing nature of the square root function (just a simple sketch would do).

BTW, if a and b are both positive reals, the strict inequality sign can be used (a stronger statement), i.e. ##|a-b| < \sqrt{a^2 + b^2}.##
 
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Wouldn't I need this first:

## -\sqrt{ a^2 + b^2} < (a-b) < \sqrt{ a^2 +b^2 }\\ ##

Then,
## a^2 +b^2 < ( a-b )^2 = (a^2 - 2ab + b^2 ) < (\sqrt{a^2 +b^2})^2 = a^2 +b^2##
Now, I don't understand
 
knowLittle said:
Wouldn't I need this first:

## -\sqrt{ a^2 + b^2} < (a-b) < \sqrt{ a^2 +b^2 }\\ ##

Then,
## a^2 +b^2 < ( a-b )^2 = (a^2 - 2ab + b^2 ) < (\sqrt{a^2 +b^2})^2 = a^2 +b^2##
Now, I don't understand

I'm sorry, I do not understand what you're doing here.

The first step is to consider the square of the expression ##|a-b|##.

It should be trivial to recognise that ##(|a-b|)^2 = |(a-b)^2| = (a-b)^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2ab##

The next step is to note that ##a^2 + b^2 - 2ab < a^2 + b^2## for positive reals a and b.

That gives you ##(|a-b|)^2 < a^2 + b^2##. The final step is to take the square root of both sides.

Can you finish it off from here?
 
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Curious3141 said:
I'm sorry, I do not understand what you're doing here.

The first step is to consider the square of the expression ##|a-b|##.

It should be trivial to recognise that ##(|a-b|)^2 = |(a-b)^2| = a^2 + b^2 - 2ab##

The next step is to note that ##a^2 + b^2 - 2ab < a^2 + b^2## for positive reals a and b.

That gives you ##(|a-b|)^2 < a^2 + b^2##. The final step is to take the square root of both sides.

Can you finish it off from here?
I see what you are doing.

About what I wrote prior to this...
I was talking about this supposedly property of absolute value
## |a-b| < c ##, then
## -c< a-b <c ##
 
knowLittle said:
I see what you are doing.

About what I wrote prior to this...
I was talking about this supposedly property of absolute value
## |a-b| < c ##, then
## -c< a-b <c ##

That is true, but not relevant here.
 

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