Proving Divisibility: Does a^n Divide b^n Imply a Divides b?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical exercise of proving whether the condition \( a^n \mid b^n \) implies that \( a \mid b \). Participants explore the implications of their reasoning and the validity of the steps taken in the proof.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof involving the greatest common divisor \( d = (a, b) \) and expresses uncertainty about concluding \( a_1 \mid b_1 \) given that \( (a_1, b_1) = 1 \).
  • Another participant suggests that if \( (a_1, b_1) = 1 \), it implies \( a_1 = 1 \), questioning the validity of the proof.
  • A later reply acknowledges the confusion and states that the conclusion \( b \mid a \) cannot be drawn from the expression \( d \cdot b_1 = l \cdot d \cdot a_1 \), but insists that \( a \mid b \) can be concluded.
  • One participant corrects their earlier statement, clarifying that they intended to express \( b = l \cdot a \) leading to \( a \mid b \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the proof and engage in clarifying the implications of their reasoning. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial proof steps, and multiple interpretations of the implications remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of the greatest common divisor and the relationships between \( a_1 \) and \( b_1 \), indicating that assumptions about their values may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of definitions and implications in mathematical proofs.

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Hey! (Wave)

I am looking at the following exercise:

Show that $a^n \mid b^n \Rightarrow a \mid b$.

According to my notes,it is like that:

Let $a^n \mid b^n$.

Let $d=(a,b)$

Then, $a=d \cdot a_1 \\ b=d \cdot b_1$

$$(a_1,b_1)=1$$

$$b^n=k \cdot a^n, \text{ for a } k \in \mathbb{Z}$$

$$d^n \cdot b_1^n=k \cdot d^n \cdot a_1^n \Rightarrow b_1^n=k \cdot a_1^n$$

Therefore, $$ a_1 \mid b_1^n=\underset{n}{\underbrace{b_1 \cdot b_1 \cdots b_1}} \overset{(a_1,b_1)=1}{\Rightarrow} a_1 \mid \underset{n-1}{\underbrace{b_1 \cdot b_1 \cdots b_1}} \Rightarrow a_1 \mid \underset{n-2}{\underbrace{b_1 \cdot b_1 \cdots b_1}} \Rightarrow a_1 \mid b_1$$

So,we conclude that $b_1=l \cdot a_1, l \in \mathbb{Z}$

$$d \cdot b_1=l \cdot d \cdot a_1 \Rightarrow b \mid a \Rightarrow a \mid b$$

But...is it right?? (Thinking) We show that $(a_1,b_1)=1$ and then we conclude that $a_1 \mid b_1$... (Wasntme) :confused:
 
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evinda said:
But...is it right?? (Thinking) We show that $(a_1,b_1)=1$ and then we conclude that $a_1 \mid b_1$... (Wasntme) :confused:

Hi! (Happy)

Then that must mean that $a_1=1$ doesn't it? (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Hi! (Happy)

Then that must mean that $a_1=1$ doesn't it? (Thinking)

Oh,yes! (Nod) So,the solution is right,or not?? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
$$d \cdot b_1=l \cdot d \cdot a_1 \Rightarrow b \mid a \Rightarrow a \mid b$$

evinda said:
Oh,yes! (Nod) So,the solution is right,or not?? (Thinking)

Almost.
But from $d \cdot b_1=l \cdot d \cdot a_1$ we cannot conclude that $b \mid a$. (Doh)
It's a good thing we can conclude that $a \mid b$! (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
Almost.
But from $d \cdot b_1=l \cdot d \cdot a_1$ we cannot conclude that $b \mid a$. (Doh)
It's a good thing we can conclude that $a \mid b$! (Mmm)

Oh,sorry! (Blush)(Blush) I accidentally wrote it like that.I wanted to write:

$$d \cdot b_1=l \cdot d \cdot a_1 \Rightarrow b=l \cdot a \Rightarrow a \mid b$$

Thank you very much! (Smile)
 

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