Proving Equivalence of $g' \in Hg$, $g'g^{-1} \in H$, and $Hg = Hg'$

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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of three statements involving a subgroup \( H \) of a group \( G \) and elements \( g' \) and \( g \) from \( G \). The statements are: \( (a) \) \( g' \in Hg \), \( (b) \) \( g'g^{-1} \in H \), and \( (c) \) \( Hg = Hg' \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and group theory concepts.

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  • Some participants define \( g' \in Hg \) as \( g' = hg \) for some \( h \in H \) and derive that \( g'g^{-1} = h \), thus showing \( g'g^{-1} \in H \) implies \( (a) \implies (b) \).
  • Others propose that if \( gg'^{-1} \in H \), then \( g = hg' \) for some \( h \in H \), leading to the suggestion that \( Hg \subseteq Hg' \) can be shown.
  • A participant elaborates on the argument for \( Hg' \subseteq Hg \) and concludes that if both inclusions hold, then \( Hg = Hg' \).
  • Another participant introduces the idea that either \( Hg = Hg' \) or \( Hg \cap Hg' = \emptyset \), suggesting that proving \( Hg \cap Hg' \neq \emptyset \) is sufficient to establish the equivalence of the cosets.
  • One participant connects the discussion to the concept of congruence modulo \( H \) and provides an analogy with lines in the Euclidean plane to illustrate the relationship between cosets and equivalence classes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to proving the equivalence of the statements, but no consensus is reached on a definitive proof or resolution of the equivalences. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best method to demonstrate the relationships among the statements.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific assumptions about the properties of groups and subgroups, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of the statements. The exploration of cosets and equivalence relations introduces additional complexity that is not fully resolved.

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Let $H$ be be a subgroup of a group $G$. Let $g'$ and $g$ elements of $G$. Prove that the following are equivalent: $(a)$ $g' \in Hg$, $(b)$ $g'g^{-1} \in H$, and $(c)$ $Hg = Hg'$.

$g' \in Hg$ means $g' = hg$ for some $g \in G$ and $h \in H$. And $g' = hg \implies g'g^{-1} = hgg^{-1} = h$. But $h \in H$ so $g'g^{-1} \in H$.

So $(a) \implies (b)$. I can't progress. For a moment I thought I had it, then I lost it!
 
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Suppose $gg'^{-1} \in H$, say:

$gg'^{-1} = h$.

Then $g = hg'$. Does it not follow that for any other $h_1 \in H$, that:

$h_1g = h_1(hg')$?

Use this to show $Hg \subseteq Hg'$.

Can you show likewise that $Hg' \subseteq Hg$?
 
Deveno said:
Suppose $gg'^{-1} \in H$, say:

$gg'^{-1} = h$.

Then $g = hg'$. Does it not follow that for any other $h_1 \in H$, that:

$h_1g = h_1(hg')$?

Use this to show $Hg \subseteq Hg'$.

Can you show likewise that $Hg' \subseteq Hg$?
Thank you.

So let $x = h_1g$. Then $x = h_1hg' \in H$ because since $h_1, h \in H$ we have $h_1 h \in H$. Therefore $Hg \subseteq Hg'$. For the converse, suppose $h_2 \in H$ and let $y = h_2 g' = h_2h^{-1}g \in H$ because since $h_2 , h^{-1} \in H$ we have $h_2 h^{-1} \in H$. Therefore $Hg' \subseteq Hg$. Hence $Hg = Hg'.$
 
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NoName said:
Thank you.

So let $x = h_1g$. Then $x = h_1hg' \in H$ because since $h_1, h \in H$ we have $h_1 h \in H$. Therefore $Hg \subseteq Hg'$. For the converse, suppose $h_2 \in H$ and let $y = h_2 g' = h_2h^{-1}g \in H$ because since $h_2 , h^{-1} \in H$ we have $h_2 h^{-1} \in H$. Therefore $Hg' \subseteq Hg$. Hence $Hg = Hg'.$

Another way to do this is using the fact that either:

a) $Hg = Hg'$ -or-
b) $Hg \cap Hg' = \emptyset$

in which case it suffices to show that $Hg \cap Hg' \neq \emptyset$ to show the two cosets are the same.

Why are a) and b) true?

Because:

$Hg = Hg' \iff gg'^{-1} \in H$, and:

$g \sim g' \iff gg'^{-1} \in H$ is an EQUIVALENCE RELATION on $G$ (called "congruence modulo $H$").

You have seen this before, although you probably did not recognize it at the time.

The Euclidean plane:

$\{(x,y):x,y \in \Bbb R\}$

is a group, under the operation:

$(x,)\ast(x',y') = (x+x',y+y')$ (the normal vector addition).

A line through the origin, of slope $m$, is a SUBGROUP:

$L_m = \{(x,y) \in \Bbb R^2: y = mx\}$ (this is all points of the form $(x_0,mx_0)$).

The slope-intercept form of a line:

$y = mx + b$

Is a "congruence class" of $L_m$, since if we take two such points, and subtract (this is $pp'^{-1}$ for our 2-vectors and the operation of vector addition): we have:$(x_2,mx_2 + b) - (x_1,mx_1 + b) = (x_2-x_1,m(x_2-x_1)) \in L_m$.

So we think of the line $y = mx + b$ as "$L_m$ translated (up) by $b$", in much the same way:

$Hg$ is $H$ "translated" (multiplicatively) by $g$.

In other words, lines not through the origin are cosets of a parallel line through the origin (thinking about cosets this way makes Lagrange's Theorem make more "sense", because we see cosets are in some sense, "parallel", like equal slices of a rectangular cake), to see if two group elements are "in the same slice" we do the group analogy of subtraction, which is, evaluate $gg'^{-1}$, and see if it lies in the "home slice" (the one that contains the identity).
 

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