Proving Homework Statement: Expanding Power of 2 over 3

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem related to representing positive integers in the form of a fraction involving powers of 2 and 3. The original poster attempts to expand a sum as a power of 2 over a power of 3 but expresses difficulty in doing so.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the representation of integers and the conditions under which the integers a and b may vary. Some suggest starting with base three representations, while others question the necessity of different bases in the solution.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide guidance on potential approaches, while others express uncertainty about the problem's requirements and the nature of the solution.

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There is ambiguity regarding whether the integers a and b are fixed or variable in relation to the integer being represented. Additionally, some participants note that the problem is not a standard homework question but rather a query stemming from a math competition.

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First I tried expanding the sum as a power of 2 over a power of 3, but I failed.
 

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I was not able to open the file. Why not just put the problem and your work directly into the form?
 
Mark44 said:
I was not able to open the file. Why not just put the problem and your work directly into the form?

The statement was: prove that every positive integer can be represented in the form
[tex]\frac{2^a}{3^b} -\sum_{k=0}^b \frac{2^{c_k}}{3^k}, \\<br /> \text{where } a, b, c_k \text{ are integers },1 = c_0 < c_1 < c_2 < \cdots .[/tex]

It does not say whether or not the a and b are allowed to vary with the integer n to be represented, or whether a and/or b are supposed to be fixed.

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Start by writing the number in base three. Then you have the number as a sum of negative powers of three with all numerators either 1 or 2. Those with are what you want. If there is a numerator of 1, combine fractions.
 
@Ray a and b are allowed to vary, but they have to be integral.
@Mark I do not know how to use the codes
@HallsofIvy I am pretty sure that the answer does not involve different bases. The expression is merely a subtraction of powers of 2 over powers of 3.
 
Truth be told, this isn't a homework question for school. This is merely a question on a recent math competition that I have not answered and I want to know.
 
eddybob123 said:
@Ray a and b are allowed to vary, but they have to be integral.
@Mark I do not know how to use the codes
@HallsofIvy I am pretty sure that the answer does not involve different bases. The expression is merely a subtraction of powers of 2 over powers of 3.
Which is a question of base 3, pretty much by definition!
 
However it will get just as complicated as in base ten because of all the powers of 2
 
Suppose we can approach it in a different way. We can just sum up the terms in the summation and define a "simpler" term, which we can then subtract from the first term.
 
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eddybob123 said:
However it will get just as complicated as in base ten because of all the powers of 2

No, it won't. Every integer, written is base three, is, by definition, of the form [itex]\sum_{i=0}^N a_i/3^i[/itex] where each [itex]a_i[/itex], because it is a base 3 digit, is either 0, or 1= 20, or 2= 21.
 
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I am just looking for an answer, nothing more.
 

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