Proving Inequalities to Induction and Simplification

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The discussion centers around proving various inequalities, specifically the Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean (AM-GM) inequality for four non-negative variables and a product inequality involving induction. Participants explore different approaches, including induction, algebraic manipulation, and references to established inequalities.

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  • One participant presents the AM-GM inequality for four variables and attempts to prove it using algebraic manipulation but expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Another participant suggests using the AM-GM inequality directly and mentions that it can also be approached through Holder's or Jensen's inequalities.
  • Some participants discuss the notation used in the induction proof, with one participant criticizing the clarity and suggesting a more standard approach to writing the proof.
  • Several participants reference the General Mean Inequality and discuss its proof, with one participant asking for a specific proof using induction.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the AM-GM inequality is a corollary of Jensen's inequality and suggests considering the second derivative of the logarithmic function for insights.
  • There is a mention of the original proof of AM-GM being by induction, starting with powers of 2, but uncertainty remains about its applicability to the more general inequality discussed.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to proving the inequalities, with no consensus reached on a single method or proof. There is acknowledgment of multiple valid approaches, including algebraic manipulation, induction, and references to other inequalities.

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Some participants note limitations in the clarity of notation and the need for more rigorous definitions in their proofs. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that could affect the validity of the proposed approaches.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mathematical proofs, particularly in the context of inequalities, induction techniques, and the relationships between different mathematical inequalities.

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Sorry for not being very descriptive in the title, but here's my problem:

Prove that for all [tex]a,b,c,d \ge 0[/tex], the following inequality is valid:

[tex]\frac{a+b+c+d}{4} \ge \sqrt[4]{abcd}[/tex]

I've tried to make it this way:

[tex](x-y)^2 \ge 0[/tex]
[tex]x^2 + y^2 \ge 2xy[/tex]

So:

[tex][(a+b)-(c+d)]^4 \ge 0[/tex]
[tex][ (a+b)^2 - 2(a+b)(c+d) + (c+d)^2 ] ^2 \ge 0[/tex]
[tex](a+b)^2 + (c+d)^2 \ge 2(a+b)(c+d)[/tex]
[tex](a+b)^2 + 2(a+b)(c+d) + (c+d)^2 \ge 4(a+b)(c+d)[/tex]
[tex]a+b+c+d \ge 2 \sqrt{(a+b)(c+d)}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{a+b+c+d}{2} \ge \sqrt{(a+b)(c+d)}[/tex]

This is the farthest I got, can't figure out how to continue... any tips?

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Prove, by induction, that the following inequality is true:

[tex]\prod_{n=1} \frac{2n-1}{2n} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{2n+1}}[/tex]

I made this:

[tex]\left ( \prod_{n=1} \frac{2n-1}{2n} \right ) \cdot \frac{2n}{2n+1} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{2n+1}} \cdot \frac{2n}{2n+1}[/tex]

[tex]\left ( \prod_{n=1} \frac{2n-1}{2n} \right ) \cdot \frac{2n}{2n+1} < \frac{2n}{\sqrt{(2n+1)(2n+1)^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\left ( \prod_{n=1} \frac{2n-1}{2n} \right ) \cdot \frac{2n}{2n+1} < \frac{2n}{\sqrt{(2n+1)^3}}[/tex]

Though I am really new to induction, so I'm not sure if my proof is finished.
 
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The notation for your induction proof is terrible. You should be doing something like multiplying from n=1 to N, and then adding on [tex]\frac{2N}{2N+1}[/tex] at the end. As written, the left hand side of each of those equations doesn't really make any sense (it's like saying [tex](\sum_{i=0}i^2) + (i+1)^2[/tex]... i is a dummy variable, you can't use it outside the summation like this. What you really want to write in this case is [tex](\sum_{i=0}^n i^2) + (n+1)^2[/tex]
 
Ok, I tried to abbreviate the notation, but apparently I failed miserably.

It's

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \cdot \frac{3}{4} \cdot \frac{5}{6} \cdots \frac{2n-1}{2n} < \frac{1}{\sqrt{2n+1}}[/tex]
 
Do you know the Arithmetic-Geometric Inequality?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_of_arithmetic_and_geometric_means"
 
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Hobold said:
Sorry for not being very descriptive in the title, but here's my problem:

Prove that for all [tex]a,b,c,d \ge 0[/tex], the following inequality is valid:

[tex]\frac{a+b+c+d}{4} \ge \sqrt[4]{abcd}[/tex]

I've tried to make it this way:

[tex](x-y)^2 \ge 0[/tex]
[tex]x^2 + y^2 \ge 2xy[/tex]

From [itex]x^2+y^2 \ge 2xy[/itex], consider adding [itex]2xy[/itex] to both sides of the inequality. You should quickly see that

[tex]\frac{x+y}{2} > \sqrt{xy}[/tex]

Now try apply the above to [itex]x=\sqrt{ab}[/itex] and [itex]y=\sqrt{cd}[/itex].
 
Yeah this is only AM-GM for four numbers, but you can also use Holder's inequality or Jensen's inequality. In fact, AM-GM inequality is just a corollary of Jensen's inequality (hint- for proof consider the function f(x)=ln x). As for AM-GM inequality, it is:
If [tex]a_i , i=1,2,...,n[/tex] are positive real numbers then:
[tex]\frac{a_1 +a_2 +...+a_n}{n} \geq \sqrt[n]{a_1 a_2 ...a_n}[/tex]
This can be generalized into something that we call General Mean Inequality.

Anyways, To prove this you can use induction on [tex]n[/tex]. However, to prove the inequality that you posted, you may directly see that if the inequality holds for [tex]n=2[/tex] (for which you have the proof) then obviously holds for every [tex]n[/tex] which is a power of [tex]2[/tex].

As for you second inequality, take the [tex]ln[/tex] of both sides, and then try to use Jensen's inequality (hint- what can you say about the second derivative of f(x)=ln x ? )
 
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Yeah this is only AM-GM for four numbers, but you can also use Holder's inequality or Jensen's inequality. In fact, AM-GM inequality is just a corollary of Jensen's inequality (hint- for proof consider the function f(x)=ln x). As for AM-GM inequality, it is:
If [tex]a_i , i=1,2,...,n[/tex] are positive real numbers then:
[tex]\frac{a_1 +a_2 +...+a_n}{n} \geq \sqrt[n]{a_1 a_2 ...a_n}[/tex]
This can be generalized into something that we call General Mean Inequality.

Anyways, To prove this you can use induction on [tex]n[/tex]. However, to prove the inequality that you posted, you may directly see that if the inequality holds for [tex]n=2[/tex] (for which you have the proof) then obviously holds for every [tex]n[/tex] which is a power of [tex]2[/tex].

As for you second inequality, take the [tex]ln[/tex] of both sides, and then try to use Jensen's inequality (hint- what can you say about the second derivative of f(x)=ln x ? )

Holder's and Jensen's inequalities will also do it, but it is much easier to understand using only elementary arguments. Just apply

[tex] \frac{x+y}{2} > \sqrt{xy}[/tex]

sufficiently many times (namely with [itex]x=\sqrt{ab}[/itex] and [itex]y=\sqrt{cd}[/itex]). What is [itex]\sqrt{xy}[/itex] in terms of a, b, c, and d? What is [itex]\frac{x+y}{2}[/itex] in terms of a, b, c, and d? Finally, consider applying the inequality above for [itex]\sqrt{ab}[/itex] (and similarly for [itex]\sqrt{cd}[/itex]). This will not only give you the desired inequality, it will also give you insight into the inductive step of the general inequality.
 
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@rs1n: Can you post/direct your proof of General Mean Inequality using induction.

Personally, I am aware of only one proof for it, it is simply using the fact that:
[tex]f(n)=\left(\frac{a_1 ^n +a_2 ^n +...+a_n ^n}{n}\right)^{1/n}[/tex] is increasing function, for [tex]a_i[/tex] being positive.
 
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IB1 said:
@rs1n: Can you post/direct your proof of General Mean Inequality using induction.

Personally, I am aware of only one proof for it, it is simply using the fact that:
[tex]f(n)=\left(\frac{a_1 ^n +a_2 ^n +...+a_n ^n}{n}\right)^n[/tex] is increasing function, for [tex]a_i[/tex] being positive.

Sorry, my mind must have fixated on the phrase "general mean inequality" when I actually meant general inequality -- as in for any n, not just n=4 -- in my response. As for the GMI, the only proof I know is likely the same as that one you are familiar with.
 
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The original (I believe) proof was by induction, but starting with powers of 2 and then filling in the rest. That proof is right on the wikipedia page for AM-GM.

edit: Oops, looks like I can't read. I don't know if this technique can be used for the more general inequality you guys are talking about.
 
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