Proving Non-Empty Finite Sets with Induction: A Challenge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that for all non-empty finite sets A and B, there are |B|^|A| functions from A to B, using mathematical induction. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Jeff presents the problem and seeks help with the proof using induction, emphasizing that it is not a homework question.
  • Another participant reminds Jeff to demonstrate his attempts at solving the problem.
  • Jeff shares his initial proof attempt, outlining an inductive hypothesis involving proper subsets of A and B, but expresses uncertainty about how to conclude that it leads to |B|^|A|.
  • A later reply suggests a non-rigorous perspective, stating that for each element of A, there are |B| options for mapping, leading to |B|^|A| functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are differing approaches to the proof and varying levels of rigor in the arguments presented.

Contextual Notes

Jeff's proof attempt includes assumptions about proper subsets and the application of induction, but it remains incomplete. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the inductive step and the overall structure of the proof.

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Hey guys. I need some help solving this proof using induction:

Prove that for all non-empty finite sets A and B, there are |B|^|A| functions from A to B

(where |B| and |A| obviously represents the cardinality of B and A respectively.)

Thanks in advance for the help, since I am pretty stuck. Thanks again!

Jeff

EDIT: Sorry, to reiterate...these are the practice problems we were told to look at before the test...so it's not HW.
 
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But you still have to demonstrate that you've tried solving this problem!
 
Oh haha! Sorry. Here is what I got and then got stuck:

b. Proof: For all non-empty finite sets A and B, there are |B||A| functions from A to B.
Assume for all non empty finite sets, for any proper subset Z C A and Y C B, we have |Y||Z| functions from Z to Y
Let z be an arbitrary element of A, let y be an arbitrary element of B, let Z=A\{z} and let Y=B\{y}
Therefore, we have functions from Z to {y}, Z to Y, {z} to {y} and {z} to Y


I thought I could use induction to say it = 1+|Y|^|Z|+1+|Y|...but I couldn't get that to boil down to |B|^|A|

Jeff
 
Look at it non-rigorously. For each element of A, there are |B| places to send it. That's |B|^|A| functions.
 

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