Proving Pauli Matrices are Generators of SU(2)

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The discussion centers on the proof that the Pauli matrices serve as generators of the special unitary group SU(2). Participants explore the conditions of unitarity and determinant equal to one, as well as the systematic procedures for finding generators of arbitrary special unitary groups, including SU(N) and the Gell-Mann matrices.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about proving that the generators of SU(2) are the Pauli matrices and requests detailed algebraic steps.
  • Another participant suggests a reference (Ballentine, ch7) that may provide the needed details.
  • A participant mentions that there are three generators for SU(2) and proposes that they can be shown to be the Pauli matrices by imposing conditions of unitarity and determinant equal to one.
  • There is a query about the systematic procedure for finding generators of arbitrary SU(N) and whether algorithms exist for this purpose.
  • One participant describes the Gell-Mann matrices as a basis for traceless Hermitian 3x3 matrices and suggests a generalization for enumerating generators for SU(N).
  • Another participant discusses the definition of the Lie algebra of su(n) and how the Pauli matrices span it for SU(2), emphasizing the conditions of antihermitian matrices and trace zero.
  • There is a question regarding the existence of a rigorous algorithm for the general case of SU(N).
  • A participant provides a link to a Wikipedia article that discusses generalized Gell-Mann matrices and mentions that there are rigorous algorithms for constructing the necessary matrices for SU(N).
  • One participant asks how to prove the commutation relations for generators without referencing their explicit forms.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the systematic approach to finding generators for SU(N) and the relationship between SU(2) and its Lie algebra su(2). There is no consensus on a rigorous algorithm for the general case of SU(N), and the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

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Participants mention the need for specific conditions such as antihermitian properties and trace conditions, but these assumptions are not fully explored or agreed upon. The discussion includes references to external materials that may contain relevant information.

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I am confused with SU(2). How do you prove that the generators are pauli matrices (1/2 sigma)? I would appreciate any link or reference with details of all algebraic steps, taking one from the conditions of unitarity and det=1 to the well know exponential form.

In general, how do you find generators of arbitrary special unitary group?

Thanks.
 
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LayMuon said:
I would appreciate any link or reference with details of all algebraic steps, [...]
Ballentine, ch7, should provide at least part of what you're looking for.
 
How do you prove that the generators are pauli matrices (1/2 sigma)?
For SU(2),there will be 22-1=3 generators,which are represented by 2×2 matrices.By imposing the condition of unitarity and det=1,one can show that they will be pauli matrices(apart from an overall factor) like done here in a simple way
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:93nCYqcfSssJ:www.cmth.ph.ic.ac.uk/people/d.vvedensky/groups/Chapter9.pdf+generators+for+su(n)&hl=en&gl=in&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGgzJ9IIW6ndaDnZhuZ-bS6y_MZLxjH1lmBrJXzwmekNpDdzhFlQhw7HOkV8kztTYIOSgS3GNTXsK3JxQtKD_IrmZvWrwiE1578lwe3RvS1lPDS9JodC-5a63UZpIaqy5NPsB&sig=AHIEtbRECOqVRDYecSFVam6R-4szBZXBeA
 
Thanks for replies, I also found it in Arfken.

But I still wonder, what is the SYSTEMATIC procedure of finding out the generators of arbitrary SU(N)? Do any algorithms exist?

For example I don't quite understand how to systematically obtain Gell-Mann matrices.
 
The Gell-Mann matrices are a basis for the space of traceless hermitian 3x3 matrices. For SU(N) in general, there are N^2-1 generators. If you look over the Gell-Mann matrices for SU(3) and the Pauli matrices for SU(2) you can probably generalize to come up with a systematic way to enumerate N^2-1 linearly independent traceless hermitian NxN matrixes for any N.
 
How to do that?
 
It's easy just from the definition of the lie algebra of su(n). You need x*=-x and tr(x)=0. Think of the lie algebra as a vector space and show that the pauli spin matrices span it for su(2). So they are the generators. That is to say any 2x2 matrix such that x*=-1 and tr(x)=0 can be spanned by a linear combination of Pauli matrices.
 
I think you're also getting confused between SU(2) and su(2). The Pauli matrices span the lie algebra su(2). The unitary condition on SU(2) imposes the antihermitian on su(2) x*=-x and det U= 1 imposes the tr (x)=0 condition.
 
So there is no rigorous algorithm for general su(n) case?
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...eneralized_Gell-Mann_matrices_.28Hermitian.29 It can be shown that these span the lie algebra su(n). There are rigorous algorithms, but that is a subject unto itself. For su(n+1) it's pretty simple since the dimension of the vector space can be shown to be n(n+2) so you need that many linearly independent basis vectors to span it. So take for example su(3) you need 2(2+2)=8 linearly independent antihermitian traceless matrices to span it. So the algorithm is one that can create that many of those kind of matrices for every n.
 
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Awesome entry on wiki. Thanks! That sounds like what I was really looking for.
 
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Just one more question. How do you prove the commutation relations for generators?

I understand that one can pick up the generators given by your link and explicitly prove the commutations and then, because it should be independent of representation, state that it's the general form. But nevertheless how to prove them without reference to explicit form of the generators?
 

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