Proving Reflexive, Symmetric and Transitive Properties of Relation R on P(U)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a relation R defined on the power set P(U) of a universal set U, specifically examining whether R is reflexive, symmetric, and transitive. The participants are tasked with proving these properties based on the definition of the relation, which states that A R B if \( A \cap C = B \cap C \) for a subset C of U.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the relation R and asks for a determination of its properties.
  • Post 2 prompts the need for definitions of reflexive, symmetric, and transitive properties to analyze the relation.
  • Post 3 provides definitions and claims that the relation is symmetric and transitive, while expressing uncertainty about its reflexivity.
  • Post 4 critiques the clarity and precision of the definitions provided in Post 3, questioning the use of terms and the logical structure of the arguments regarding reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the properties of the relation. There is disagreement regarding the clarity of definitions and the correctness of the claims made about reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for precision in mathematical language and definitions, indicating that the lack of clarity may lead to misunderstandings about the properties being discussed.

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Let U be a universal set, and let C be any subset of U. Let R be the relation on P(U) defined by A R B if $A \cap C = B \cap C$. Determine whether the relation is reflexive, symmetric, and/or transitive. Prove you answer.
 
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First, do you know what "reflexive", "symmetric", and "transitive" mean? Write down the definitions and show that this relation satisfies those definitions.
 
So reflexive is equal to each other. Like x R x.
Symmetric is x R y = y R x
Transitive is if x R y and y R z, then x R z.

The relation is symmetric because if A \cap C = B \cap C, then C \cap A = C \cap B. Is this correct?

The relation is also transitive, because if A \cap C and B \cap C, then A \cap B.

I'm not sure about the reflexive.
 
leigh ramona said:
So reflexive is equal to each other. Like x R x.
Your sentence does not make sense because it lacks the subject: what is equal to each other?. And when you say $xRx$, I'll ask you: what is $x$? Do you mean $xRx$ holds for some unspecified $x$, for all $x$, for some specific $x$? What set does $x$ range over?

leigh ramona said:
Symmetric is x R y = y R x
This sentence is also problematic. For each $x$ and $y$, $xRy$ is either true or false. What do you mean by $xRx=yRx$? For which $x$ and $y$?

leigh ramona said:
Transitive is if x R y and y R z, then x R z.
This would be correct if you added "for all $x$, $y$ and $z$".

leigh ramona said:
The relation is symmetric because if A \cap C = B \cap C, then C \cap A = C \cap B. Is this correct?
What you wrote is true, but what does this have to do with $R$? Please enclose formulas in dollar signs: \$A\cap C\$.

leigh ramona said:
The relation is also transitive, because if A \cap C and B \cap C, then A \cap B.
This does not makes sense because $A\cap C$ cannot be true or false: it's a set. Therefore, you can't write "If $A\cap C$...".

If you increase the level of your precision, it will help you not only to communicate more clearly, but to understand the problem and definitions better as well.
 

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