MHB Proving: Sets Proofs - Techniques & Examples

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The discussion focuses on proving two mathematical statements involving set operations. The first proof requires demonstrating that if sets A and B are disjoint, then the Cartesian products of A and C, and B and C, are also disjoint. The second proof involves showing that the union of A and the intersection of B and C is equal to the intersection of the unions of A with B and A with C. Participants express difficulty in formalizing their proofs and seek techniques for structured reasoning, emphasizing the importance of understanding set relationships and logical implications in proofs. Overall, the conversation highlights the challenges of formal proof writing and the need for clear methodologies in mathematical reasoning.
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prove the followinga. prove that if $A\cap B=\emptyset$, then $(A\times C)\cap (B\times C)=\emptyset$
b. $A\cup(B\cap C)=(A\cup B)\cap (A\cup C)$

i don't have any idea how i would start proving this.
can you give me some techniques on proofs.
 
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paulmdrdo said:
prove the followinga. prove that if $A\cap B=\emptyset$, then $(A\times C)\cap (B\times C)=\emptyset$
b. $A\cup(B\cap C)=(A\cup B)\cap (A\cup C)$

i don't have any idea how i would start proving this.
can you give me some techniques on proofs.
a. Assume on the contrary that $(x,y)\in (A\times C)\cap (B\times C)$. Thus $x\in A\cap B$ and $y\in C$ (why?). Can you finish?

b. Let $x\in A\cup(B\cap C)$. Then $x\in A$ or $x\in B\cap C$.
Case 1. $x\in A$.
Here $x\in A\cup B$ and $x\in A\cup C$. (why?). Thus $x\in (A\cup B)\cap (A\cup C)$.

Case 2. $x\in B\cap C$.
Again, Here $x\in A\cup B$ and $x\in A\cup C$. (why?). Thus $x\in (A\cup B)\cap (A\cup C)$.

The above shows that any element of $A\cup (B\cap C)$ is in $(A\cup B)\cap(A\cup C)$. This means $A\cup (B\cap C)\subseteq (A\cup B)\cap(A\cup C)$. Can you show the reverse containment and finish?
 
caffeinemachine i know nothing about formal way of proving. i can say why that is true in words or verbally but not in a generalize way. i want a formal presentation of proofs like what you are doing. can you give some tips. because every time i encounter this kind of problems i always feel discouraged.

but this is what i tried

$x\in A\cap B$ and $y\in C$ because we assume that $(x,y)\in (A\times C)\cap (B\times C) $

i don't know howfill in the other (whys)
 
paulmdrdo said:
caffeinemachine i know nothing about formal way of proving. i can say why that is true in words or verbally but not in a generalize way. i want a formal presentation of proofs like what you are doing. can you give some tips. because every time i encounter this kind of problems i always feel discouraged.

but this is what i tried

$x\in A\cap B$ and $y\in C$ because we assume that $(x,y)\in (A\times C)\cap (B\times C) $

i don't know howfill in the other (whys)
The 'second why' is quite straightforward. If you know that $x\in A$, then $x$ also lies in any superset of $A$. Isn't it? Thus $x\in A$ gives $x\in A\cup B$ since $A\cup B$ is a superset of $A$. Similarly $x\in A$ gives $A\cup C$ too.

Now try to fill in for the third why.
 
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