Proving sin4x + 2sin2x = 8sinxcos^3x Using Trigonometric Identities

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The discussion revolves around proving the trigonometric identity sin4x + 2sin2x = 8sinxcos^3x using trigonometric identities. Participants are exploring the relationships between various sine and cosine functions and their identities.

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the equation using known identities, such as sin2x = 2sinxcosx. There are questions about the derivation of sin4x and its relationship to sin2x. Some participants express confusion about the application of identities and seek clarification on specific formulas.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and guidance to each other. There is a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and explore different approaches to the problem. Some participants have made progress in their understanding, while others continue to seek clarity on specific points.

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Homework Statement


show that sin4x + 2sin2x = 8sinxcos^3x



Homework Equations


sin2x =2sinxcosx


The Attempt at a Solution


I started out by letting sin4x = sin(2x*2) so that I could plugg in sin2x = 2sinxcosx in the equation.
sin(2x*2) +2sin2x =
sin2*sin2x +2sin2x =
sin2 * (2sinxcosx) + 2*sin2x =
sin2* (2sinxcosx) + 2* (2sinxcosx)
and I end up with 8sinxcosx
which is wrong!
??
 
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Attis said:
sin(2x*2) +2sin2x =
sin2*sin2x +2sin2x =
sin2 * (2sinxcosx) + 2*sin2x =
sin2* (2sinxcosx) + 2* (2sinxcosx)
and I end up with 8sinxcosx
which is wrong!
??

sin(ab) ≠ (sina)(sinb) i.e sin4x≠(sin2)(sin2x)

sin4x = 2sin2xcos2x
 
Tanya Sharma said:
sin(ab) ≠ (sina)(sinb) i.e sin4x≠(sin2)(sin2x)

sin4x = 2sin2xcos2x

Ok, did you derive that from sin2x = 2sinxcosx?
In that case, I don´t understand why sin4x = 2sin2xcos2x and not 4sin2xcos2x (i.e twice as much as sin2x = 2sinxcosx?)
 
Attis said:
Ok, did you derive that from sin2x = 2sinxcosx?

Yes

Attis said:
In that case, I don´t understand why sin4x = 2sin2xcos2x and not 4sin2xcos2x (i.e twice as much as sin2x = 2sinxcosx?)

Please answer this - What is sin2A ?
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
Yes



Please answer this - What is sin2A ?

2sinAcosA?

Or is this some sort of a trick question?
 
Attis said:
Or is this some sort of a trick question?

Not at all . Just trying to make you understand the formula :smile:

Attis said:
2sinAcosA?

sin2A = 2sinAcosA . Now replace A with 2x on both the sides .What do you get ?
 
Tanya Sharma said:
Not at all . Just trying to make you understand the formula :smile:



sin2A = 2sinAcosA . Now replace A with 2x on both the sides .What do you get ?

Ah! I see. Thanks!
sin2*2x= 2sin2xcos2x.
I´ll carry on now and see if I get anywhere.
 
Somehow it keeps on getting more and more complicated. Do you have any idea on how I could keep it "simple"?

sin4x + 2sin2x = 8sinxcos^3x
on the left hand side:
2sin2xcos2x + 2sin2x =
2*2sinxcosx(cos^2x - sin^2x) + 2*2sinxcosx =
4sinxcos^3x - 2sin^3xcosx + 4sinxcosx

It really doesn´t feel right...
 
Attis said:
2sin2xcos2x + 2sin2x

Is there something common in the two terms ? If yes ,take out the common factor .What do you get ?
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
Is there something common in the two terms ? If yes ,take out the common factor .What do you get ?

2sin2x(cos2x + 1)?
 
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Good...

1+cos2x = ?
 
  • #12
1 + cos^2x - sin^2x
?
 
  • #13
Attis said:
1 + cos^2x - sin^2x
?

Correct...Is there some other way of expressing this expression ? Can a couple of terms be combined ?
 
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There are two options:
1) 1 + cos^2x -sin^2x =
1+cos^2x - (1-cos^2x)=2cos^2x

2) 1+(1-sin^2x)-sin^2x=
1+1 - sin^2x -sin^2x = 2-2sin^2x = 2(1-sin^2x)

?
 
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Attis said:
There are two options:
1) 1 + cos^2x -sin^2x =
1+cos^2x - (1-cos^2x)=2cos^2x

Right...

Now put sin2x = 2sinxcosx and (1+cos2x) = 2cos2x in the expression you have in post#10.
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
Right...

Now put sin2x = 2sinxcosx and (1+cos2x) = 2cos2x in the expression you have in post#10.

Perfect! Now I got it.
Thanks a lot! you´ve been a massive help.
Do you have any general tips on how to solve such problems?
 
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Remembering trigonometric formulas and practicing variety of problems of increasing complexity is the key .If you remember the formulas then it will help you in manipulating the trigonometric expressions .

You should be comfortable with double ,triple angle formulas .How to convert from one form to other .

Cos2x = cos2x-sin2x = 1-2sin2x = 2cos2x-1 .

sinx = √[(1-cos2x)/2] ; cosx = √[(1+cos2x)/2]

All the above are various ways of writing the same thing .With practice you will recognize which form to use .
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
Remembering trigonometric formulas and practicing variety of problems of increasing complexity is the key .If you remember the formulas then it will help you in manipulating the trigonometric expressions .

You should be comfortable with double ,triple angle formulas .How to convert from one form to other .

Cos2x = cos2x-sin2x = 1-2sin2x = 2cos2x-1 .

sinx = √[(1-cos2x)/2] ; cosx = √[(1+cos2x)/2]

All the above are various ways of writing the same thing .With practice you will recognize which form to use .

Ok. I´ll do my best. Thanks once again!
 

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