Proving the Congruence of Primes of the Form x² + 5y² (mod 20)

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The discussion revolves around the congruence of odd primes expressible in the form \( p = x^2 + 5y^2 \) and whether such primes satisfy the condition \( p \equiv 1 \text{ or } 9 \text{ (mod 20)} \). The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to number theory.

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  • One participant suggests that the proof follows from basic genus theory but does not provide the details, hinting at a more advanced understanding.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the initial statement and the conclusion regarding the congruence of primes.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier interpretation of the problem, indicating a misunderstanding of the conditions under which primes can be expressed in the given form.
  • There is a request for clarification from the original poster (OP) regarding whether there was a typo in the problem statement, suggesting uncertainty about the intended meaning.
  • Another participant confirms that the OP's question is indeed correct, which may imply some level of agreement on the interpretation of the problem.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the problem, with some confusion about the implications of the statement. There is no clear consensus on the proof or the relationship between the statements made.

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If $p$ is an odd prime expressible as
$$p=x^2+5y^2$$
where $x,y$ are integers, then prove that $p \equiv 1 \text{ or }9\text{ (mod 20)}$.
 
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Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

Very nice, I like this one. The proof follows immediately from basic genus theory, and I am not going to post it down here (spoiler purpose).

For beginners, I would give a hint :

A prime of the particular form is of the form 1, 3, 7 or 9 modulo 20

Balarka
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Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

Shobhit said:
If $p$ is an odd prime expressible as
$$p=x^2+5y^2$$
where $x,y$ are integers, then prove that $p \equiv 1 \text{ or }9\text{ (mod 20)}$.

It must be necessarly x even and y odd or x odd and y even. In the first case You set x = 2 n and y = 2 m + 1 so that is...

$\displaystyle p = 4\ n^{2} + 20\ m^{2} + 20\ m + 5\ (1)$

... and then...

$\displaystyle p \equiv 4\ n^{2} + 5\ \text{mod}\ 20\ (2)$

Observing (2) it is evident that $\displaystyle p \equiv 1\ \text {mod}\ 20$ or $\displaystyle p \equiv 9\ \text {mod}\ 20$. The same result You obtaining supposing x odd and y even...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

How does (2) follows from (1)?
 
Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

mathbalarka said:
How does (2) follows from (1)?

I made a mistake writing $\displaystyle p \equiv 4\ n^{2}\ \text{mod}\ 20$ instead of $\displaystyle p \equiv 4\ n^{2} + 5\ \text{mod}\ 20$, so that I corrected it... very sorry! (Angry) ...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

Ah, I see, I have interpreted the question wrong. I interpreted is as : p is an odd prime expressible as x^2 + 5y^2 if and only if p is 1 or 9 modulo 20.

But perhaps OP must have intended exactly this? Can Shobhit clarify whether he did a typo or not?
 
Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

mathbalarka said:
Ah, I see, I have interpreted the question wrong. I interpreted is as : p is an odd prime expressible as x^2 + 5y^2 if and only if p is 1 or 9 modulo 20.

But perhaps OP must have intended exactly this? Can Shobhit clarify whether he did a typo or not?

Balarka, the question is correct. You had interpreted it correctly.
 
Re: Primes of the form $x^2+5y^2$

Shobhit said:
Balarka, the question is correct. You had interpreted it correctly.

I see, thank you for clarifying.

One can carry on with my hints on the #2 then.
 
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