Proving the Formula Using Mathematical Induction

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The discussion revolves around proving a formula for the sum of the fifth powers of integers using mathematical induction. The formula in question is presented as a statement involving a summation from 1 to 5, which some participants suggest may be incorrect in its upper limit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the steps involved in mathematical induction, including verifying the base case and assuming the case holds for a number k. There are attempts to manipulate the equation to show it holds for k+1. Some participants express uncertainty about the algebraic manipulation required to equate two forms of the equation.

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There is ongoing exploration of the algebraic steps needed to prove the equality of two expressions. Some participants have provided guidance on expanding and simplifying the equations, while others question the correctness of the original formula as stated. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the summation limits.

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Participants note that the original formula may contain a typo regarding the summation limit, suggesting it should be from 1 to n rather than 1 to 5. This has implications for the validity of the induction proof being attempted.

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Homework Statement


Use mathematical induction to prove the formula for every positive integer n.

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{5}i^5=\frac{n^2(n+1)^2(2n^2+2n-1)}{12}[/tex]

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



I know this will be true because the RHS is just your standard sums of powers of integers to the fifth formula, but nevertheless I have to prove it...

I know n=1 will work so I set n=k

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{5}k^5=\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)}{12}[/tex]

I take the RHS and set k=(k+1)


[tex]=\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2(k+1)-1)}{12}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}[/tex]

If the test works for all the terms then it must be correct for the first 5 terms so I can eliminate the summation and just have the [tex]k^5[/tex]

so then I'd have

[tex](k+1)^5+\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)}{12}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)+12(k+1)^5}{12}[/tex]

From here I'm not sure how to get that to equal this:

[tex]\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}[/tex]
 
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themadhatter1 said:

Homework Statement


Use mathematical induction to prove the formula for every positive integer n.

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{5}i^5=\frac{n^2(n+1)^2(2n^2+2n-1)}{12}[/tex]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I know this will be true because the RHS is just your standard sums of powers of integers to the fifth formula, but nevertheless I have to prove it...

I know n=1 will work so I set n=k

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{5}k^5=\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)}{12}[/tex]

I take the RHS and set k=(k+1)[tex]=\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2(k+1)-1)}{12}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}[/tex]

If the test works for all the terms then it must be correct for the first 5 terms so I can eliminate the summation and just have the [tex]k^5[/tex]

so then I'd have

[tex](k+1)^5+\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)}{12}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)+12(k+1)^5}{12}[/tex]

From here I'm not sure how to get that to equal this:

[tex]\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}[/tex]

Your first formula as written is incorrect. The sum from 1 to 5 is not different for every positive integer, n. Your upper index should be n and not 5.

To use induction you must:
1. Verify the base case.
2. Assume that your case holds for some number, k.
3. Show that it holds for k+1. (IF it is true for k, THEN it is true for k+1)

Try adding [tex](k+1)^5[/tex] to both sides of the equation and manipulate the right side until you get the proper form.
 
malicx said:
Your first formula as written is incorrect. The sum from 1 to 5 is not different for every positive integer, n. Your upper index should be n and not 5.

To use induction you must:
1. Verify the base case.
2. Assume that your case holds for some number, k.
3. Show that it holds for k+1. (IF it is true for k, THEN it is true for k+1)

Try adding [tex](k+1)^5[/tex] to both sides of the equation and manipulate the right side until you get the proper form.

My first formula is written exactly as printed from my textbook so I know it is correct. I know how to solve with induction my question is only one of algebra.

I need to get

[tex]\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}=\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)+12(k+1)^5}{12}[/tex]

The one on the left is where I subbed in k=(k+1) the one on the right is the equation I got from adding (k+1)5 to. I know they are equal because you can plug in a value and get the same number on both sides. How can you get these equations into the same form.
 
Failing anything clever, you could always expand and collect both numerators to see they are both:

2k6+18k5+65k4+120k3+119k2+60k+12
 
themadhatter1 said:
[tex]\frac{(k+1)^2(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}=\frac{k^2(k+1)^2(2k^2+2k-1)+12(k+1)^5}{12}[/tex]
That is correct. Note that both sides have the common factor (k+1)^2, so you have to prove the simpler equality

[tex]\frac{(k+2)^2(2(k+1)^2+2k+1)}{12}=\frac{k^2 (2k^2+2k-1)+12(k+1)^3}{12}[/tex].

After that you can follow LCKurtz suggestion to expand both sides and see if they are identical.

ehild
 
Alright, that works.

Thanks.
 
themadhatter1 said:
My first formula is written exactly as printed from my textbook so I know it is correct.
At the risk of sounding like a stickler/jerk, the formula is NOT correct, even if it is what is listed in the book. Typically, a formula in n will be given when summing from 1 to n, but that is summing from 1 to 5.
 
You are right, it must be a typo. So the correct form is

[tex] \sum_{i=1}^{n}i^5=\frac{n^2(n+1)^2(2n^2+2n-1)}{12}[/tex]

ehild
 

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