Proving the Sum of Consecutive Numbers Using Mathematical Induction

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The discussion revolves around proving the sum of consecutive numbers using mathematical induction. Participants explore the basis and inductive steps of the proof, addressing specific challenges and clarifying the process involved in the induction method.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving the sum of products of consecutive integers and attempts to establish a proof using mathematical induction.
  • Several participants confirm the correctness of the basis step but inquire about specific difficulties encountered in the inductive step.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on proving the statement for n = k + 1, assuming it holds for some positive k.
  • Another participant introduces a different inequality problem, questioning the validity of their basis step and seeking clarification on the inductive hypothesis.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the notation and the logical flow of the arguments presented in the inequality problem.
  • Clarifications are made about the inductive hypothesis and how to apply it to prove the statement for n = k + 1.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the basis step for the initial problem but express varying levels of understanding and confidence regarding the inductive step. The discussion on the inequality problem reveals confusion and disagreement about the formulation and validity of the statements made.

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Some participants struggle with algebraic manipulations and the application of the inductive hypothesis, indicating potential gaps in understanding the induction process. There are also issues with notation and clarity in the inequality problem, leading to further confusion.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning mathematical induction, particularly those facing challenges with the inductive step or the application of hypotheses in proofs.

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Here's my problem: 1 * 2 + 2 * 3 + 3 * 4 + . . . + n( n+ 1) = n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3

The Attempt at a Solution

I know that there is a Basis step and Induction step. For the Basis step I have the following but don't know if I'm on the right track: Basis Step 1 * 2 = 1 * 2 * 3 / 3 , which is true

I get lost at the Inductive step.

Any help would be appreciated
 
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Welcome to PF,Bucs.

Which part of the induction step do you have a problem with?
 
Your basis step is right. Where, specifically, do you have problems?

edit: neutrino beat me to it!
 
Where I get stuck is what I should be inputing into the statement to verify it.

1*2*3 + n(n+1) = n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3 +

I'm stuck on how to work the rest of the problem out.
 
Bucs44 said:
Where I get stuck is what I should be inputing into the statement to verify it.

1*2*3 + n(n+1) = n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3 +

I'm stuck on how to work the rest of the problem out.


You have to now prove that the above statement holds for n = k+1, assuming that is true for some positive k.

1.2+2.3+...k(k+1) + (k+1)((k+1)+1)

Now, you have to show it takes the form n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3, for n = k+1.
 
neutrino said:
You have to now prove that the above statement holds for n = k+1, assuming that is true for some positive k.

1.2+2.3+...k(k+1) + (k+1)((k+1)+1)

Now, you have to show it takes the form n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3, for n = k+1.

I'm not sure that I'm following you - So it would look like this

n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3 + k(k+1)

n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3 + k(k+1)/3 / 3
 
1.2+2.3+...k(k+1) + (k+1)((k+1)+1) ---> This is for k+1

Since we've assumed that it holds true for some arbitrary k greater than 1, we can write

1.2+2.3+...k(k+1) = k(k + 1)(k + 2) / 3 (1)

Now,
1.2+2.3+...k(k+1) + (k+1)((k+1)+1) = k(k + 1)(k + 2) / 3 + (k+1)((k+1)+1) (refer(1))

Simpligy the right-hand side to (k+1)(k+2)(k+3)/3, which is what you would get if you put n = K+1 in n(n + 1)(n + 2) / 3
 
Thanks for all of your help neutrino - I think the whole Inductive step is what is really fowling me up - my algebra is poor at best.
 
Can I ask you 1 more question though?

2n + 1 < 2n, n = 3, 4 …..
Basis Step (n = 3) - 2(3) = 6 + 1 = 7 < 23 = 8 so we Assume true for n

Am I on the right track?
 
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Bucs44 said:
2n + 1 < 2n, n = 3, 4 …..
Basis Step (n = 3) - 2(3) = 6 + 1 = 7 < 23 = 8 so we Assume true for n

Am I on the right track?

:confused:

Are you sure that's the question?

and this whole part...

2(3) = 6 + 1 = 7 < 23 = 8

doesn't make sense.
 
  • #11
I thought by plugging in either 3 or 4 as n that it would be true. I have to verify the inequality
 
  • #12
Bucs44 said:
2n + 1 < 2n, n = 3, 4 …..

This cannot be the correct question, since 2n+1>2n for all n!
 
  • #13
14. 2n + 1 < 2n, n = 3, 4 …..

It should be less than or equal to - it just didn't come through when I pasted it.
 
  • #14
Bucs44 said:
14. 2n + 1 < 2n, n = 3, 4 …..

It should be less than or equal to - it just didn't come through when I pasted it.

Should it not read something like 2n+1\leq 2^n for n=3,4,...?
 
  • #15
See - I really am bad at this stuff - the way you have written it is correct.

From my above post I guess my Basis Step is wrong?
 
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  • #16
Well, your basis step: It is true for n=3 so assume true for n=k by the inductive hypothesis. So, we know that 2n+1\leq 2^n, for n=3,...,k, and we want to show true for n=k+1. So, we have 2(k+1)+1=2k+2+1. Can you invoke the fact that we know is true (i.e. it holds for n=k) into this equation?
 
  • #17
If you think that 2n, when n= 3, equals 23, this may be hopeless. Do you know what "2n" means?
 
  • #18
cristo said:
Well, your basis step: It is true for n=3 so assume true for n=k by the inductive hypothesis. So, we know that 2n+1\leq 2^n, for n=3,...,k, and we want to show true for n=k+1. So, we have 2(k+1)+1=2k+2+1. Can you invoke the fact that we know is true (i.e. it holds for n=k) into this equation?

I'm not sure what you mean by "it holds for n=k"
 
  • #19
You have proven by your inductive hypthesis that 2k+1\leq 2^k
 
  • #20
That's all that's to that problem? I thought it would be much more difficult than that.
 
  • #21
Well, if you've shown that 2k+1\leq 2^k \Rightarrow 2(k+1)+1\leq 2^{k+1}, then yes, the problem is solved.
 

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