Proving Uniqueness in Predicate Calculus with G and F Functions

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The discussion revolves around proving the uniqueness of a certain predicate calculus statement involving the functions G and F, specifically focusing on the expression \exists! y \forall x G(F(x,y),x). The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical proofs related to predicate logic.

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  • Some participants discuss the interpretation of the uniqueness quantifier \exists! y and its implications in the context of the given predicates and functions.
  • One participant questions whether the constant "c" is indeed a constant or a variable, suggesting that if it were a variable, contradictions could arise.
  • Another participant asserts that "c" is a constant, referencing it in their proof attempt.
  • One participant proposes a straightforward existence proof based on the second statement, while leaving the uniqueness aspect as an exercise.
  • Another participant relates the axioms to those of a commutative group, discussing the uniqueness of the identity element and presenting a series of logical steps to explore this idea.
  • A counterexample is introduced by a participant, using a specific universe and definitions for G and F, which suggests that multiple values can satisfy the hypothesis, thereby challenging the uniqueness claim.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of "c" and the implications for the proof. There is no consensus on the validity of the uniqueness claim, as a counterexample has been presented that suggests multiple solutions may exist.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the definitions of G and F, nor have they clarified the assumptions regarding the nature of "c". The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the uniqueness condition.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying predicate calculus, mathematical logic, or exploring concepts related to uniqueness in formal systems.

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Given the following :

1)\forall x\forall y\forall z G(F(F(x,y),z),F(x,F(y,z)))


2)\forall xG(F(x,c),x)


3)\forall x\exists yG(F(x,y),c)


4)\forall x\forall yG(F(x,y),F(y,x)).


5) \forall x\forall y\forall z ( G(x,y)\wedge G(x,z)\Longrightarrow G(y,z))

Where G is a two place predicate symbol. F ,is a two place term symbol and c is a constant.


Prove :\exists! y\forall xG(F(x,y),x)

\exists ! y means : there exists a unique y
 
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Is this a homework question, or just for fun, or what?

And I am assuming that E! x ph <-> E. y A. x ( x = y <-> ph ), right?
 
This is a problem given to me by a friend ,that i could not solve out.

This two place predicate and term is very confusing.
 
Is "c" a constant or a variable? Because if it is a variable, then you can prove a contradiction given the conclusion and given that there are at least 2 distinct values of x.

We could prove that A. y A. x G ( F ( x , y ) x ) given 2, which contradicts the conclusion.
 
I have mention it already in my opening post that c is a constant
 
Well, existence is straight forward:

From 2) and c

\exists c \wedge \forall x G(F(x,c),x) \Rightarrow \exists y \forall x G(F(x,y),x)

uniqueness is left as an exercise:

\forall u(\forall x G(F(x,u),x) \Rightarrow u=c)
 
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When you take G the equality, then your list of axioms is that of a commutative group. The thing you need to prove is that the identity element is unique.

Take two identity's c and c', then

3) G(F(c',c),c')

and

3) G(F(c,c'),c)

and

4) G(F(c,c'),F(c',c))

So by (5), we get that G(c,c')

But that doesn't give equality, however...
 
OK, what about this counterexample:

Take \mathbb{Z}_0 as universe. Take

G(x,y)~\text{if and only if}~\frac{x}{y}\geq 0

and F(x,y)=x*y and c=1.

Then y=1 and y=2 both satisfy the hypothesis.
 

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