Publications and Co-Author vs Second Author

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the distinctions between being a second author and a co-author in academic publications, particularly in the context of a submission in Mechanical Engineering to the Journal of Fluid Mechanics (JFM). Participants explore authorship roles, contributions to the manuscript, and the implications of these roles on credit and recognition.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the substantial difference between being a second author and a co-author, particularly in light of their contributions to the research and manuscript.
  • Another participant suggests that including an "author contributions" section in the manuscript could clarify each author's role and ensure proper credit is given.
  • It is noted that the final decision regarding authorship should respect the adviser's perspective, despite the participant's significant contributions.
  • A participant highlights that in their experience, the prestige associated with authorship roles varies by field, with different norms in biology compared to engineering.
  • A question is raised about the visual difference in print appearance between "second author" and "co-author," which is later clarified as non-existent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the significance of authorship roles and the criteria for determining co-authorship. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of requesting co-authorship based on contributions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these roles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by the participants' differing backgrounds in various fields, which may influence their perspectives on authorship norms and practices.

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Hi PF!

I am about to submit a publication, but as of now I think I am listed as second author (the only authors on this paper are my adviser and me). Is there a substantial difference between second author vs. co-author?

Also, my adviser wrote the majority of the manuscript, though I wrote some and contributed to some analytical results that were missing. We together had a lot of conversations where we both helped the other. I wrote all the numerical code without help, I wrote all code for data processing (image processed data), and I conducted all experiments. Without me, there would not be any data. Processing this data was incredibly time-consuming and very complex, requiring strong math background.

Given this, is it wrong for me to request co-author here?
 
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If this makes a difference in your field, it would be interesting to know the field.
 
mfb said:
If this makes a difference in your field, it would be interesting to know the field.
Mechanical Engineering. We're submitting to JFM.
 
Many journals allow inclusion of a section entitled "author contributions" which details each author's roles in conceiving the research, performing the experiments, analyzing the data, and writing the manuscript (see http://blogs.nature.com/nautilus/2007/11/post_12.html for examples). It could be helpful to include such a statement to ensure you get proper credit for your work. Based on what you said, I think you would probably be justified in asking your advisor for co-first authorship, though the final decision is up to him and you should probably respect that decision.

(note: I am not so familiar with the field of engineering. I mainly work in biology where first author is most prestigious for students and postdocs and last/corresponding author is more prestigious for senior researchers)
 
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Stupid question: What's the difference (in print appearance) between "second author" and "co-author"?
 
Thanks for your response Ygggdrasil. jtbell, that's not a stupid question at all, and now that you mention it, there isn't one.
 

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