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The discussion explores the differences and implications of quantum electrodynamics (QED) in one spatial dimension compared to three dimensions. Participants consider the types of fields that can exist in 1D, the nature of interaction terms, and the implications for scattering and fermionic behavior.

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  • Some participants question whether massive charged and massless fields can interact in one spatial dimension and what the interaction term might look like.
  • One participant suggests that in 1D, the interaction term may be limited to complex scalar fields, contrasting with the spinors and vectors present in 3D QED.
  • Another participant proposes that a massive complex field and a massless complex field could exist in 1D, prompting questions about the simplest interaction between these fields.
  • A participant explains that the formal structure of QED in 1D resembles that in 3D, with the gamma matrices reducing to Pauli matrices, and discusses the implications of gauge invariance and the Gauss law in this context.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the definition of spin 1/2 fermions in 1D, questioning whether the necessary geometrical structure exists to define such fields.
  • Participants discuss the existence of 2-component spinors in 1+1 dimensions and the implications for the algebra of gamma matrices.
  • One participant notes that QED and QCD in 1+1 dimensions are super-renormalizable, leading to a finite number of divergent Feynman graphs.
  • Questions are posed about the existence of scattering angles in 1D and whether Feynman diagrams can be constructed in this context.

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The discussion features multiple competing views regarding the nature of fields and interactions in 1D QED, with no consensus reached on several key points, particularly concerning the treatment of fermions and the implications of dimensionality on physical properties.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the geometrical and algebraic structures relevant to spinors in 1D, as well as the implications of gauge invariance and the Gauss law for dynamical variables.

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QED in 3D --> QED in 1D, what changes?

Can we have massive charged and massless fields which interact in one space dimension? What might the interaction term look like?

Thanks for any help!
 
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you have a guess?
 


Can I have a go, since I'm trying to teach myself QFT now ? (not got very far yet)

I would start by asking what sort of fields you can have in 1 space dimension. In 3, your interaction term has spinors, vectors and gamma matrices, but in 1 dimension you may be restricted to just (perhaps complex) scalar fields ?


I know in 1+1 dimension, the propagator is different too (was one of the early questions in Zee's book)
 


ansgar said:
you have a guess?

I would guess we could have a massive complex field in 1D, say phi(x,t), as well as massless complex fields in 1D, say A(x,t). What is the simplest interaction that might make sense between these fields?

Thanks for any help!
 


Spinnor said:
I would guess we could have a massive complex field in 1D, say phi(x,t), as well as massless complex fields in 1D, say A(x,t). What is the simplest interaction that might make sense between these fields?

Thanks for any help!

will there be scattering angles?
 


You can couple a massless gauge boson ("photon") to scalar or to fermion fields ("electrons"). The interaction formally looks exactly like QED, the indices are 0,1 instead of 0..3. The structure of the gamma-matrices reduces to two Pauli-matrices. QCD with SU(N) symmetry is possible as well.

In 1D the only non-vanishing component of the photon field is due to the F01 component of the el.-mag field strength. In 1D one can eliminiate A0 as usual due to gauge invariance (A0 is not a dynamical degree of freedom because it comes w/o time derivative in the Larangian; therefore it acts both as a gauge field and a Lagrange multiplier; setting it to zero leaves behind a constraint, namely the Gauss law; this is rather similar to 3D); that means the only dynamical variable is A1. But A1 is subject to the Gauss law constraint. It is rather subtle, but the Gauss law does not eliminate all dynamical photon field completely, but it leaves a zero mode, that means a constant photon field = one single quantum mechanical degree of freedom a(t) instead of A1(x,t), together with its conjugate momentum e(t) instead of E(x,t) = F01(x,t). (the difference between the Gauss law and the generator of gauge transformations is just an integration by parts; it is exactly this derivative which kills a constant zero mode; that means the zero mode is unconstraint)

The interaction of the photons with the electrons is due to the zero mode plus a 1D Coulomb potential which is basically V(x) ~|x|. Its Fourier transform is 1/k² as usual.

In 1D QCD it's more complicated due to the non-abelian nature of the gluons. Nevertheless the reasoning just explained for QED goes through: the gluon field reduces to a set of quantum mechanical degrees of freedom a(t) with su(N) algebra. One finds (motivated by a large-N limit) a theory of weakly interacting mesonic fluctuations. This can be proven e.g. via "bosonization" of the fundamental quark fields. In addition (in the large-N limit) one can calculate a non-vanishing quark condensate which breaks the chiral symmetry. The colour-Coulomb potential is something like a shifted 1/k² where the shift is due to the gluonic zero mode a(t), that means something like 1/(k+a)². The colour-Coulomb potential is an inverted D² operator with D=d+a(t) being the covariant derivative after gauge fixing.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993NuPhB.397..705S
http://www.springerlink.com/content/k5l726883w437101/

http://theorie3.physik.uni-erlangen.de/theses/Dip-1981-1994.html (unfortunately mostly in German)
 
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tom.stoer said:
You can couple a massless gauge boson ("photon") to scalar or to fermion fields ("electrons"). The interaction formally looks exactly like QED, the indices are 0,1 instead of 0..3. The structure of the gamma-matrices reduces to two Pauli-matrices.

Interesting. I'm a bit confused as to how you model the fermions though. The source of my confusion is this:

Fermi statistics would require half integer spin fields. In 1 space dimension though, do you have enough geometrical structure to define spin 1/2 ? I'm thinking of the case in 3 space dimensions where we describe spin 1/2 behaviour by the requirement for two 360 degree rotations to restore an object to its original relationship with its environment. Is there an analog of this in one space dimension ?

I guess that it could be phrased in terms of some generalisation of the 3 dimensional SU(2)->SO(3) double cover...
 


I have never thought about the geometry and the Clifford algebra, but you can look up the relevant spinor reps. in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinor. I guess that in 1+1 dim. one has Spin(2) ~ "double cover of SO(2)" and therefore 2-component spinors.

What you can do is to write down a Dirac equation formally. Than you can try to find a rep. for the gamma matrices; one possible choice is

\gamma^0 = \left( \array{cc}0 & 1 \\ 1 & 0 \end{array} \right)

\gamma^1 = \left( \array{cc}0 & -1 \\ 1 & 0 \end{array} \right)

\gamma^5 = \left( \array{cc}1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \end{array} \right)

why does the LaTeX command \right) not work properly?

One can explicitly check for the algebra

\{\gamma^\mu, \gamma^\nu\} = 2 g^{\mu\nu}

This proves the existence of 2-component spinors by explicit construction.

Btw.: there is another major difference in 1+1 dim. QED and QCD: both are super-renormalizable which means that there are only a finite number of divergent Feynman graphs. In the canonical formalism one can derive the Hamiltonian; its regularization is done via gauge-invariant point splitting + subtraction of infinite constant from Dirac sea. This procedure is sufficient to get an explicitly finite operator - no infinitues anymore! The reason for this is due to the fact that the coupling constant is no longer dimensionless in 1+1 dim. Looking at momentum space integrals it can be understood as follows

A_4 \sim \int d^4p \, a(p) = \int dp \, p^3 \, a(p) \to A_2 \sim \int d^2p \, a(p) = \int dp \, p \, a(p)

The function a(p) is roughly the same in 1+1 dim., but the integral itself contributes less powers in the momentum than in 3+1 dim. Therefore all integrals except for a finite number become explicitly finite.
 
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Thanks Tom, there does indeed appear to be a spinor algebra in (1+1) dimensions. I'll have to do a bit of digging to try to understand the geometrical interpretation.
 
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Think about a complexification of SO(1,1).

And check the Poincare generators; they are P^{\mu} with the P^0 = H the energy and P^1 the momentum plus M^{\mu\nu} where M^{00}=0 and M^{01} is just one boost generator (no rotations, no angular momentum).
 
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ansgar said:
will there be scattering angles?

If you included the time axis we could consider angles?

There would be Feynman diagrams?

Thanks for the help!
 
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tom.stoer said:
You can couple a massless gauge boson ("photon") to scalar or to fermion fields ("electrons"). The interaction formally looks exactly like QED, the indices are 0,1 instead of 0..3. The structure of the gamma-matrices reduces to two Pauli-matrices. QCD with SU(N) symmetry is possible as well.

In 1D the only non-vanishing component of the photon field is due to the F01 component of the el.-mag field strength. In 1D one can eliminiate A0 as usual due to gauge invariance (A0 is not a dynamical degree of freedom because it comes w/o time derivative in the Larangian; therefore it acts both as a gauge field and a Lagrange multiplier; setting it to zero leaves behind a constraint, namely the Gauss law; this is rather similar to 3D); that means the only dynamical variable is A1. But A1 is subject to the Gauss law constraint. It is rather subtle, but the Gauss law does not eliminate all dynamical photon field completely, but it leaves a zero mode, that means a constant photon field = one single quantum mechanical degree of freedom a(t) instead of A1(x,t), together with its conjugate momentum e(t) instead of E(x,t) = F01(x,t). (the difference between the Gauss law and the generator of gauge transformations is just an integration by parts; it is exactly this derivative which kills a constant zero mode; that means the zero mode is unconstraint)

The interaction of the photons with the electrons is due to the zero mode plus a 1D Coulomb potential which is basically V(x) ~|x|. Its Fourier transform is 1/k² as usual.

In 1D QCD it's more complicated due to the non-abelian nature of the gluons. Nevertheless the reasoning just explained for QED goes through: the gluon field reduces to a set of quantum mechanical degrees of freedom a(t) with su(N) algebra. One finds (motivated by a large-N limit) a theory of weakly interacting mesonic fluctuations. This can be proven e.g. via "bosonization" of the fundamental quark fields. In addition (in the large-N limit) one can calculate a non-vanishing quark condensate which breaks the chiral symmetry. The colour-Coulomb potential is something like a shifted 1/k² where the shift is due to the gluonic zero mode a(t), that means something like 1/(k+a)². The colour-Coulomb potential is an inverted D² operator with D=d+a(t) being the covariant derivative after gauge fixing.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993NuPhB.397..705S
http://www.springerlink.com/content/k5l726883w437101/

http://theorie3.physik.uni-erlangen.de/theses/Dip-1981-1994.html (unfortunately mostly in German)

That is so cool! Thank you.
 
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Thanks Tom! Much to digest.

Seems like much stays the same from 4D space-time to 2D space-time.
 
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If you have access:

http://iopscience.iop.org/0143-0807/29/4/014

A toy model of quantum electrodynamics in (1 + 1) dimensions.

From the abstract,

We present a toy model of quantum electrodynamics (QED) in (1 + 1) dimensions. The QED model is much simpler than QED in (3 + 1) dimensions but exhibits many of the same physical phenomena, and serves as a pedagogical introduction to both QED and quantum field theory in general. We show how the QED model can be derived by quantizing a toy model of classical electrodynamics, and we discuss the connections between the classical and quantum models. In addition, we use the QED model to discuss the radiation of atoms and the Lamb shift.Or free from the web:

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~boozer/electrodynamics/electrodynamics.html

"Here I describe a toy model of electrodynamics in (1+1) dimensions that I developed to try to help clarify various problems in the foundations of electrodynamics. The toy model shares much of the conceptual structure of ordinary electrodynamics but is mathematically much simpler. "
 
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Spinnor said:
If you included the time axis we could consider angles?

There would be Feynman diagrams?

Thanks for the help!

feynman diagrams are just a pictorical way to keep track on where in pertrubation calculation you are.
 
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I have never seen Feynman diagrams in 1+1 QED as almost all calculations can be done w/o perturbation theory.

And of course there are no angles in one spatial dimension :-)
 

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